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Darren

@crazydutchy The fewer used devices there are out there, the more they can justify charging what they do for new ones. If there were millions of repairable older iPhones, people would be less likely to buy a new one.

Monique

@DJDarren Hmm, I guess, but that does not mean that everyone is going to use Apple's program. I still have all my old phones right here still.

The Essence of Woerm Sin

@crazydutchy

So they are also not on the market, helping to reduce demand for new models?

@DJDarren

Monique

@gothytim @DJDarren True, they are not helping that, but then... they are really not that valuable anyway.

The Essence of Woerm Sin

@crazydutchy

Sure, but there are people who buy the latest phone as soon as it's out, and there are people who'd happily buy their used last-gen model. If the former use this programme instead of putting it on eBay or similar that's a sale Apple might not lose.

@DJDarren

madopal

@DJDarren @crazydutchy Until they do the same thing they do with their computers: refuse to give older models updates anymore. That's the evil twin of this program.

GeofCox

@crazydutchy @DJDarren

Not sure if you're question is ironic - but I'll answer it anyway: a vibrant secondhand market reduces new sales.

GeofCox

@crazydutchy @DJDarren

I read recently that secondhand clothes now account for over 10% of the fashion market in France, and I was in a retro shop on Saturday that was buzzing - with lots of young people that were pretty obviously not short of money. Re-use, recycle, etc, is catching on, and I guess many manufacturers are worried by it.

Monique

@GeofCox @DJDarren Let them worry, I think there is nothing wrong with recycling or using devices as long as possible. I am not replacing my phone every 2 years, I couldn't nor would I want to.

MarkS

@crazydutchy @GeofCox @DJDarren

Some companies do more than worry. Apple, it sounds like, has found a way to reduce the second-hand market by destroying scads of devices. I'd say it was clever if it wasn't so evil.

Monique

@markstahl @GeofCox @DJDarren Hmm, yeah, they probably find themselves clever... But you are right, it's bad.

Plasmawiz

@GeofCox @crazydutchy @DJDarren A lot of the best quality articles of clothing I own are second-hand.

Monique

@plasmawiz @GeofCox @DJDarren I don't have any second hand clothing, that does not mean I have wasted a lot of money on clothing to begin with. And I wear it until it's worn out, after which I put it in one of those bags where it does get recycled, or given to people who can't afford to buy clothing.

GeofCox

@crazydutchy @plasmawiz @DJDarren

You should get into it Monique. There are articles you can't easily buy - and probably don't want to - eg underwear - but when it comes to outer wear - shirts, dresses, trousers, coats, etc - secondhand is generally a much better quality/price deal - as well as more environment-friendly - even if you're really into the latest fashion there are specialist period retro shops (here in France anyway) that are really 'cutting edge'.

I try to buy everything I can secondhand - especially tech - I'm typing this on my son's discarded old laptop - windows wiped and linux loaded...

@crazydutchy @plasmawiz @DJDarren

You should get into it Monique. There are articles you can't easily buy - and probably don't want to - eg underwear - but when it comes to outer wear - shirts, dresses, trousers, coats, etc - secondhand is generally a much better quality/price deal - as well as more environment-friendly - even if you're really into the latest fashion there are specialist period retro shops (here in France anyway) that are really 'cutting edge'.

Monique

@GeofCox @plasmawiz @DJDarren I am really not into the latest fashion, I gave that up years ago. But who knows what I might do in the future. Never say never is my motto.

Plasmawiz

@GeofCox @crazydutchy @DJDarren I like to buy slightly oversized coats and jackets, and then tailor them to fit nicely. I like older style clothing and it is always a good project.

Monique

@GeofCox @DJDarren I wonder, with apple products being expensive, does that really work so well?

Plasmawiz

@GeofCox @crazydutchy @DJDarren Both the destruction of physical product and the increased locking of media to proprietary platforms are obvious attempts to kill the second-hand market for future generations :blob_sweat:​
It is nice to see people looking into exchanging second-hand goods again though, for a while I thought it was on the way out.

Hypolite Petovan
@GeofCox @crazydutchy @DJDarren I would guess that's just wishful thinking, though, I believe secondhand markets and firsthand markets are almost exclusive of each other. Meaning if you actively contract the former, the latter won't grow as much or at all. it's the same principle with digital "piracy". People wouldn't buy much more if piracy was actually impossible.
Tonya Canning

@crazydutchy @DJDarren
To reduce the inconvenience and guilt people experience throwing out perfectly good electronics to avoid looking uncool or poor.

Monique

@TonyaCanning @DJDarren I guess new shiny phones are a factor for quite a few people. Because I don't think that way, I did not consider that.

EVDYHMN(Derek)

@crazydutchy @DJDarren
I’m not saying they do or don’t do this, yeah economics wise it does lessen the market for used devices. Causing people to upgrade to a new phone as not many are available, what about the refurbs? Time is money as well .

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