Gregory's Server@freemo @LouisIngenthron You do realize you are arguing for anarchy and human cooperation here? Over people having power over others?
Agreeing would mean just that, only talking to each other free of any state or authority could help.
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 Ideas cant be coopted.. thats like saying "being nice has been coopted by people trying to pretend to be nice by being evil, so you shouldnt proclaim you are nice!"... It makes no sense, you cant coopt ideas, full stop.  @freemo @LouisIngenthron Free speech means torturing turtles! Now, what did i just do? Would this mean anything if 90% of people would associate torturing turtles with free speach? Is what i just did different from what i described as coopting? And if you then say "free speech has been coopted by turtle torturers" would be you perpetuating their agenda. @freemo @LouisIngenthron Exactly. Speaking lies has an effect. Which is why free speech and communication are important. Clear up the lies. They will not go away on their own. Of course speaking lies has an effect. Which is why you shouldnt perpetuate those lies and give them power by claiming such lies coopt an ideology. In doing so is what causes those lies to coopt the ideology. By not speaking of it and let it be ignored those ideas dont get spread. @freemo @LouisIngenthron So you say ignoring lies is more powerful than clearing up what you meant, to specify? @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are right in the arena you set, but i was talking about lies that are in circulation for a long time - completely different thing. The effect is just as relevant after they have been in circulation a long time. Afterall the goal is to reverse those lies and seek a state of truth again no matter how far gone it may be... You only do that by dismissing the lies, not amplifying them, and amplifying the truth to restore sanity. @freemo @LouisIngenthron The difference is if it is established, ignoring it will not make it go away anymore. You need to take action or accept it then. @freemo @LouisIngenthron If what you say was true, there wouls still be a need to establish the counter narrative, thus a need to discuss it. No all you need to do is the exact thing that got the lies established... you scream and yell and talk about the truth, and dont put any attention on the lies... Let the truth be as notable, if not more notable, than the lies... thats all. @freemo @LouisIngenthron If i was able to do that, it would not be a problem - what exactly do you propose to do to make the truth more notable? @freemo @LouisIngenthron Look, all i mean to say is anarchy means people working together. As soon as anyone asserts dominance, it is not anarchy anymore. It's in the definition... No anarchy doesnt mean people working together.. it means the people who want to work together will, the people who want to rape kill and still and cause chaos also will. Anarchy is just capitalism in ideologically pure form (unregulated markets to the extreme) and nothing else. Libertarianism, which is not anarchy, is the only thing that means working together while allowing the maximum individual freedom. @freemo @LouisIngenthron I shall take your advice and not perpetuate this. Glad to hear it, and honestly I can probably due to take my own advice on this more as well @freemo @LouisIngenthron We all struggle. It's a good thing. Only bad thing i see is probably something we would disagree on. People maximizing a number without regard to its significance. No we agree on that. My solution is to create a system where the significance of the number becomes more impactful and known so as to ensure there is strong penalties for anyone who blindly increases the number without understanding its significance @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are not clear on what the number is. The number i see is money. I think this is misleading and not fulfilling. One could try to create a number on human fulfillment. I have not seen anyone really try. I was perfectly clear on what the number is and knew before you said it what you meant... You arent exactly subtle with your opinions dude :) lol @freemo @LouisIngenthron I misht not be sububtle, but you sure are. I still have no idea what number you mean. It it was money, you would be stupid, as that is what i talked about. You are not stupid, so what is it? Very confused right now. I am not just subtle I am damn cryptic, and that is intentional. Telling people what I think wont do much good... leading people ona journey together where what I think is discovered through question, inquiry, and debate will. The problem is this requires the active contribution of the other party which rarely is the case as most people are looking to win, not explore. @freemo @LouisIngenthron A generally good idea, but i think we lost the plot a bit here ^^ The idea that there was ever a plot to begin with is the illusion :) The only plot here was to learn something, and I'd say we did that quite nicely. @freemo @LouisIngenthron It was a nice bout to be had. I searched for trolls on federated, i ended up bouting you directly. Probably better that way, the trolls get boring quickly with their obvious insecurities. Until another day, it was nice! @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are not a boring troll, i will give you that. There is a reason i talk to you, as i suspect there is a reason you talk to me. |
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Anarchy as a distilled idea would not have voting. I think you are thinking of libertarianism not anarchy.
Yes I realize I lean most strongly towards libertarianism.
Human cooperation is just a fancy word for democracy, which I also approve.
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