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Steve Herman

Looks like Threads is inhospitable to journalists posting real time information about major international news stories.

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Ralf Lenz, BOFH Emeritus 🏴‍☠️

@w7voa threads is inhospitable.

No further words were needed.

Kevin Leecaster

@w7voa
@Gargron Nonprofit social media seems to be the only way for serious journalists to go. Your audience can post screenshots of your toots on those for-profit platforms.

Matt Blaze

@w7voa Wow, that's so wrongheaded I don't even know where to start. Wonder if that's an automated bot or an actual human.

Pete Wright
@mattblaze @w7voa hoping its a bot and they are taking a very aggressive approach by default since its easier to add exceptions rather than cover every possible bad actor? seems like they really missed the mark in testing though if that's the case.

also...why am i giving fbook the benefit of the doubt 🤦
Matt Blaze

@w7voa Coincidentally, I was at a screening the other day of Anna: Mother Russia, a forthcoming biopic about murdered Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya. It features the (at least superficially) similar Dubrovka theatre attack, in which Politkovskaya played a role in negotiations.

Joe

@mattblaze A bot, I am sure, and a stupid one. It would have been clear to a human that this isn't praise for ISIS.

Fish Id Wardrobe

@not2b @mattblaze a bot – or a human that's been told they have exactly eleven seconds to moderate each post, and took sixteen seconds for the last one...

Scott Starkey ("he" or "they")

@not2b @mattblaze

Stupid people approved stupid bots, then put the stupid bots into a production environment.

Bam

@mattblaze @w7voa Bot. Definitely a bot picking up ISIS.

Bam

@j_bertolotti

I’d be more concerned if a human being said that violated their content policies. Not algorithms can be refined and adjusted. And hopefully, this one will.

Neverthess, I was specifically answering the question @mattblaze posed.

@w7voa

LAUREN

@w7voa Meta has stated that they don't want their sheeple's minds all discombobulated with news.

Bam

@noondlyt @w7voa

Don’t think it’s that. It looks like a bot mod picking up ISIS without context.

CJ Paloma ...again

@Bam @noondlyt @w7voa ….and that was... a choice…made by asshole techbros…so…uh, that makes it worse, not better, but do go on replying with this inanely mediocre comment, Bam boy.

Bam

@cjpaloma@mas.to

What a lovely, thoughtful response to a rather innocuous comment indicating that something was likely not done based on a specific policy application. You can find somewhere else to grind that rather big ax on that giant chip on your shoulder.

Buh-bye. 👋

@noondlyt @w7voa

CJ Paloma ...again

@Bam @noondlyt @w7voa

I do have a giant ax to grind with mediocre folks spouting mediocre comments while billionaires destroy the world, ackshully, but I'm sure you'll block me instead... (edit) yup, they did - so predictable.

DELETED

@w7voa yeah cause it automatically just treats anything against any Muslim as "hate speech". I am sorry, calling out terrorists of any religion/ethnicity should be allowed. A few terrorist trees do not make a forest.

jbaggs

@memoria @w7voa I think you need to reread the statement.

Floon

@w7voa You angered the AI. Watch your back, man.

Greg Johnston

@w7voa somehow doesn’t surprise me one stinkin bit.

Infinity Counter 🟦

@w7voa Looks like someone decide to take shortcut a by using poorly written automated filtering.

Killick

@JustTooOdd It's not really a shortcut if your entire business is predicated on the lowest possible labor costs and the highest possible return per user. Poorly written automated filtering for the win!

riwoche རི་བོ་ཆེ་

@w7voa That's really bad. The algorithms have been very unpleasant this past week. I spent five days in Instagram purgatory after a post about indicted billionaire Miles Guo.

Caio C. G. Oliveira

@w7voa People are afraid of threads being part of the fediverse. I am not afraid of that. The platform has some problems that are prior to that. The avoiding of news is among them.

Woodswalked

@w7voa
Reality is against their community standards.
News is a dangerous organization.

Bill Jorth

@Woodswalked @w7voa I dumped Threads within a week of checking it out. Owned by Meta, controlled by corporate executives is anathema to my expectations of social media.

Woodswalked

@wdjorth

I read Facebook’s terms of service, never joined. Never had an interest in Threads, blocked them before they went ‘live’ here. Seems like federating with Meta will end up harming Mastodon’s ability to have journalists or content not to Meta’s liking. They have a history of doing this.

cc: @w7voa

Steve Popovich

@w7voa the modbots are not working well over there.

william.maggos

@w7voa

this will be an awesome policy from growing the number of independent servers hosted by news orgs when they fully federate, if they don't defederate from those servers for violating their local rules which is what their current federation policy seems to imply. just part of the learning process I hope.

Winter Trabex

@w7voa

Totally expected. Billionaires don't want the media to exist, because they're tired of getting called out for behaving badly.

So instead of changing their behavior, they just want to squash journalism.

Mark Gardner

@w7voa @mattblaze I’m sorry, were you expecting #Threads to be a “town square”?

Matt Blaze

@mjgardner @w7voa Being smugly snide at people who use social media you personally dislike is not a great look.

Mark Gardner

@mattblaze @w7voa I *like* Threads (I’m @mjgardner@threads.net) but I have no illusions about it

Henrik Pauli

@mjgardner @w7voa @mattblaze I bet a lot of people (the same type who fawned over Bluesky the moment it appeared) did, though.

Matt Blaze

@phl @mjgardner @w7voa Bluesky has much less scolding and prissy rules policing, however.

DELETED

@w7voa Because of the screen grab? Or just the mere mention of ISIS I wonder?

DELETED

I was wondering the same. Does all Arabic script merit a ban?

@KatM @w7voa

2dogphish

@w7voa @TheJen That’s bs! When I looked into Threads as a Twitter alternative around the same time as coming in here, I found out that if you want to delete your Threads account, it deletes your regular IG account. I have a biz IG account and personal one, want to keep both, and so I said nope.

NorCal Lynne

@w7voa incredible, it’s not a video of corpses or blood, it’s just sharing information. Can you appeal it? Journalists should stand in solidarity on this issue.

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Information with a screenshot of Arabic script. I'm wondering if all Arabic script triggers a ban?

@NorCal_Lynne @w7voa

Dr. Amy, Psy.D.

@w7voa So by reporting it you're praising it?!

Kote Isaev

@w7voa Interesting that no other media mention any specifics about the motives or justifications by ISIS GRU GS MoD RF for this attack. The "it targeted a large gathering of Christians" is new information for me, and possible this is what triggered automatic moderation action.
PS: Threads are part of Meta, & Meta said they would prefer to remove politics from the feeds, this moderation decision fits into such context.
PS2: The "Ryazan Sugar" is a hint for those who doubt of Kremlin involvement

Helgi Crookehorne

@koteisaev @w7voa if Russians do false flag, why not use some Muslims from Russia who'd even claim they're real ISIS? Dagestan and Chechnia and Ingushetia are salafi jihadi resorts. Central Asia is mostly Sufis

Kote Isaev

@Helgi It may depends on what groups they had at hand. Sounds like they had only that group ready to do something quickly. Whole this attack sounds also as try to distract Russians from activity of armed resistance in Belgorod and its surroundings.

Helgi Crookehorne

@koteisaev there's even worse attack just last morning with 150 or so missiles, one of them hit huge Dnipro dam that's been built with General Electric (because the GOP love Stalin!) and Russians went to distract the world from their atrocious terrorism. With more terrorism in Moscow

Kote Isaev

@Helgi Kremlin love "multi-faceted operations" or "mnogokhodovochka".
So, it can be made for multiple goals at same time, including "represent Russia as victim of international terrorism" while Kremlin is the main control center of international terrorism, e. g. hamas, ISIS and alike, and all that other goals mentioned earlier.
Your question on why they used that group but not other one, reminds me FSB complaints I seen in media that "it is hard to work within ethnic diasporas" for them.

Kote Isaev

@Helgi The GOP seems to love not just Stalin but also Putin these days....

Helgi Crookehorne

@koteisaev the big money! General Electrics and such companies got money, that Stalin earned by looting all grain in Ukraine and selling it, to Nazi Reich. And maybe the US has such "small government" those days they couldn't stop greedy bourgeosie from colluding with communist regimes

Kote Isaev

@Helgi Today the GOP itself colludes - being effectively on putin hook and may be even recruited.
Not think that "small government" per se was a factor. What really matters is what type of "ethics" that "small government" is charged with.
UBI would reduce need in many bureaucrats who now decide who is poor enough to get some benefits, making government really smaller.
So GOP is not for "small government" but for "billionaires pet government".
Billionaires seen soviet nomenclature as colleagues.

Helgi Crookehorne

@koteisaev I saw similar statement in a Jack London's story somewhere, maybe about Martin Eden. The GOP, the party of millionaires shills. Woodrow Wilson was also a fan of Ku Klux Clan but I think they started building it a bit later. The whole dam project is made by some US company so Ukraine now has a genuine US powerplant!

lin11c

@w7voa
Why would anyone join any product from META in this day and age after all we know about how evil they are.

szczur

@lin11c @w7voa

The thing is, not everyone knows. And a lot of people just don't care, so they join out of convenience and never seek out alternatives.

MarjorieR

@lin11c @w7voa well I've always avoided all commercial ad-based platforms since ever, but people use them because other people they know are already there, or in some cases they are looking for reach. Once there, like boiling frogs, the gradual #enshittificaton is not yet so extreme that they feel they have to leave. Threads still has some way to go before it falls to Xitter standards, and there are still non-nazi users on Xitter.

lin11c

@marjolica @w7voa
@w7voa
Sure. But why join Threads, that's my point. What is different about it? META is stopping any political speech, which is censorship. Now they are coming on the fediverse? I don't like it. I am still on Facebook but my reach was squashed years ago because of political postings. It's basically useless to me. Going the way of MySpace if you remember that. 😆

Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

@w7voa I wonder if a human mind was involved at all with this decision, with Zuckerbergs' cursed Hall of Mirrors we may never know.

Brownian_motion

@w7voa #threads wants followers, not thinkers. You want thinkers. Incompatible goals.

DELETED

@w7voa

What the hell? I don't understand what they're objecting to and why?

They shouldn't be allowed here in my not so humble opinion

Joe

@Mary625 @w7voa It is a stupid bot. They aren't moderated by humans. Their bot saw words about an ISIS attack and killed the post, thinking it was promoting rather than reporting on terrorism.

DELETED

@not2b @w7voa

Thank you.

This is our world now. Sigh

Scott

@w7voa Apparently if we don't talk about bad things they go away? Is that how this is supposed to work?

self-hosted goatmeal
@w7voa going to threads and pretending you're not on facebook is like going to sam's club and pretending you're not at walmart
TransitBiker

@w7voa sadly this is not new. They want 15 second cat videos not your actual real information.

Helgi Crookehorne

@w7voa Txitter is worse, most of the replies under the news about ISIS taking responsibility are Russian and Iranian trolls who claim it was CIA and the US created ISIS, then sometimes they blame Ukraine because Medvedev blamed Ukraine. But finally some dudes from Ingushetia, Russian citizens, landed as ISIS suspects

A Tattered Scrapbook

@w7voa Gosh! Zuck platform behaves like the other Zuck platforms! Color me shocked!

Jon

@osma@mas.to per our discussion yesterday, Threads policies (especially combined with bad algorithmic moderation) ray does create an opportunity for alternatives!

AI6YR

@w7voa Well, I guess THAT answers *THAT* question.

DELETED

@w7voa Steve, thanks for being here. Appreciate your work being available on mastodon.

kinyutaka

@w7voa

So... Acknowledging that IS targeted Christians in a terrorist attack is celebrating them now?

4d3fect

@w7voa Thought this was already well known?

Gillybean

@w7voa

Only good words about your content , what mercenary reason would have Threads not wanting news from TRUSTED sources to be broadcast?

Mark Zuckerberg strikes again, this time at the fediverse and Mastodon.

Timo

@w7voa that's a bummer. one by one, people will stagger over to the fediverse (not counting threads as worthy of the fediverse yet)

hnapel

@w7voa

It's what happens when you leave content moderation to trained weasels.

#AI

🇮🇱 El Murciélago 🦇

@w7voa
That's the problem when you block buzzwords without any context 🤷‍♂️

Crafty

@w7voa likely an automated script removing mentions of terrorist organisations on the bright side, maybe this will finally be the end of the idiotic tradition of journalists using social media to share information. The necessity of having social media accounts to access news is fucking ridiculous.

AvvieLanche

@w7voa lol at anyone thinking a Zucc-owned business would be good

szczur

@w7voa

To be perfectly fair, if I was reporting on some issue and was nuked by Threads or Twitter I'd probably take that as a compliment.

_jayrope :hubzilla:
@Steve Herman No wonder, Facebook did the same since a long time. Another reason to block threads.
Martha

@w7voa
I think the issue is cropping up across Meta. I've had 2 post challenged by FaceBook's AI censor. The 1st was from the Washington Post about the attack on Palestinian journalists by Zionist soldiers; the 2nd from the BBC was about a child dying from the after effects of a measles infection. I think FB's censor bot needs retraining

DELETED

@w7voa Mastodon has similar unhelpful algorithms. We say anything significant, and we get blocked. The appeal algorithms are even worse.

Richard

@w7voa @whvholst I think Meta want Threads to be about engaging with brands not about real-time news reporting.

To me this looks like their brand reputation protection filters working as intended.

Crystal King 👑

@w7voa all the more reason why being able to follow across the fediverse is a good thing.

DELETED

@w7voa What do you expect from a place where you have to "disable nazis" because they're on by default? EDIT: Whoops that was bluesky I got my corpo-cracker platforms mixed up.

Holger Spielmann

@w7voa
I wouldn't jump to early conclusions: Maybe it's just that small picture with some arabic script which I don't understand on the left side which was caught by some heuristic?

Paul Tourville

@w7voa It's a Meta property... so, that tracks.

Florian

@w7voa hasn't threads communicated from the beginning that they don't want news on their platform? Not a fan of them in general, but imo if they apply that rule consistently theres nothing wrong with it.

Riley S. Faelan

@w7voa Easy workaround: call the terror group PISSI, for Pseudo-Islamic State of Syria and Iraq. (Source: stallman.org/glossary.html.)

FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

@w7voa

Meta/Facebook/Threads has a long tradition of doing moderation as cheaply as possible, with automated systems and very low staff-per-user ratios.

Jenny Fx

@w7voa not sure ISIS did it is the Kremlin sponsored narrative for whatever is about to happen next.

Corb_The_Lesser

@w7voa Someone should post screen captures of transliterations of "Threads is wonderful" into Arabic, Farsi, Pashto, etc., to see if its software is blindly keying on anything using those languages or just specific words like "ISIS".

I don't believe Threads pays any humans to vet content. But, if this content was removed by humans, that's more damning than using poorly designed software to do it.

Tanya Kasim

@w7voa It's their loss. I guess they don't like journalists who report on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Daniel Detlaf

@w7voa

Didn't they explicitly say they were downplaying news or something along those lines? I'm having trouble remembering where I saw this discussion. But the gist of it was that threads wanted to keep the focus away from politics and current events.

I could be wrong.

Jo Kingly :verified:

@w7voa Sad, but true. Wouldn't have expected anything else from Threads/Insta/Facebook/In-Q-Tel. 💩

Farhad

@w7voa the social media is full of comments of people blaming Putin for the attacks (originated from Ukrainian government) and those who openly celebrating the death of innocent people in Moscow.

It reminds me of the reactions to the terrorists attacks in Kerman, Iran a few months ago where the reactions were similar or even worse.

the civilized people in the free world seems to have a love for terrorism when the victims are civilians in "enemy" nations.

Baron Vonskinnback

@w7voa why is anybody still joining billionaire owned social media, they are not on our side, they are not trying to help us, they want to destroy every last bit of power we have so they can own the world...

Mike J👹🐀 🤘🏻

@w7voa You can be like the kids and start using words like unalived.

Jens Finkhäuser

@w7voa quelle surprise.

The only viable option is defederation.

Bellison22

@w7voa it's Disgusting and now it is infested with trolls and bots.

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