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Chris Real

@ben

You told me that your opinion of Mastodon depended on how much money they sent you. You can't squirm out of that judgement by claiming you're a non-profit—but you "really need" money.

Did you —really— "break a story" though? Or were you the first who published what was well-known, but many were struggling to make known?

Your whole "but still—Capitalism?!?" reeks of the monarchists who infest post-capitalist marketplaces. We also call them magats and fascists.

Stick to steak knives (at least it's honest), although I hear silver-infused bedsheets also do well.

Read Marcy Wheeler/emptywheel for examples of 'actual' no-one-pays journalism.

I am a musician. You've got nothing to school me with about working for free.

12 March at 2:39 | Wall-to-wall | Open on kolektiva.social
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Ben Werdmuller

@_chris_real *I* didn’t do anything. But yeah, the journalists broke the story. By doggedly following it for a long time. That’s what ProPublica does: actual investigative journalism that takes a lot of resources to produce. There’s a pretty good article about what it took here. slate.com/news-and-politics/20

My Mastodon comment was really a flippant way of saying that I’d like Mastodon to show up in our stats.

But I seem to have got your goat,so I’d like to suggest we go our separate ways. Bye.

@_chris_real *I* didn’t do anything. But yeah, the journalists broke the story. By doggedly following it for a long time. That’s what ProPublica does: actual investigative journalism that takes a lot of resources to produce. There’s a pretty good article about what it took here. slate.com/news-and-politics/20

12 March at 2:54 | Open on werd.social
Chris Real

@ben

Of course. Troll for more money. Our ways are not separate, but our means to our ends define us.

I will match your barely adequate investigating with Marcy Wheeler's any day. Your 'breaking' claims are pretty irrelevant. The truth was there—it matters not who was first, but who made it MATTER.

You come to us with hat in hand, but suggesting that getting my goat is a discourse ender. Maybe my goat was got when you decided to monetize your virtue. I suggest you re-evaluate your 'yeah-but-ish' mentality.

Yeah, just walk away. . .

@ben

Of course. Troll for more money. Our ways are not separate, but our means to our ends define us.

I will match your barely adequate investigating with Marcy Wheeler's any day. Your 'breaking' claims are pretty irrelevant. The truth was there—it matters not who was first, but who made it MATTER.

You come to us with hat in hand, but suggesting that getting my goat is a discourse ender. Maybe my goat was got when you decided to monetize your virtue. I suggest you re-evaluate your 'yeah-but-ish' mentality.

12 March at 3:10 | Open on kolektiva.social
Anil Dash

@_chris_real Ask Marcy what she thinks of this kind of journalism — she'll tell you to support it. There is nothing noble in wanting important work to not be supported, or valuable labor to go uncompensated.

12 March at 13:44 | Open on me.dm
Chris Real

@anildash

Having a representative of an org with NO presence on Mastodon come here saying 'Hey, if you give us money, maybe we'll like you' is offensive to me.

But since you butted in as a third party, picking a fight by proxy, maybe you shouldn't also put words in the mouth of people you haven't consulted.

Start your OWN fights, "big fan of big fans". You seem to hide behind others.

So I won't explain my objections to you. Make a post with your own opinion, see if people will respond. I doubt if I will.

@anildash

Having a representative of an org with NO presence on Mastodon come here saying 'Hey, if you give us money, maybe we'll like you' is offensive to me.

But since you butted in as a third party, picking a fight by proxy, maybe you shouldn't also put words in the mouth of people you haven't consulted.

12 March at 15:40 | Open on kolektiva.social
Chris Real

@anildash

I searched emptywheel for any references to Pro Publica—nothing in the past 4 years, maybe longer.

And Pro Publica is not hurting for money.

From wikipedia:

"ProPublica was the brainchild of Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, who have committed $10 million a year to the project.

"The Sandlers hired Paul Steiger, former managing editor of The Wall Street Journal, to create and run the organization as editor in chief."

Anyone know how much Steiger makes?

@anildash

I searched emptywheel for any references to Pro Publica—nothing in the past 4 years, maybe longer.

And Pro Publica is not hurting for money.

From wikipedia:

"ProPublica was the brainchild of Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, who have committed $10 million a year to the project.

12 March at 17:04 | Open on kolektiva.social
Chris Real

@anildash

Also:

"While the Sandler Foundation provided ProPublica with significant financial support, it also has received funding from the Knight Foundation, MacArthur Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Atlantic Philanthropies. ProPublica and the Knight Foundation have various connections.

"For example, Paul Steiger, executive chairman of ProPublica, is a trustee of the Knight Foundation. In like manner, Alberto Ibarguen, the president and CEO of the Knight Foundation is on the board of ProPublica. ProPublica, along with other major news outlets, received grant funding from Sam Bankman-Fried, the founder of cryptocurrency exchange FTX.

"ProPublica has attracted attention for the salaries it pays its employees. In 2008, Paul Steiger, the editor of ProPublica, received a salary of $570,000."

@anildash

Also:

"While the Sandler Foundation provided ProPublica with significant financial support, it also has received funding from the Knight Foundation, MacArthur Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Atlantic Philanthropies. ProPublica and the Knight Foundation have various connections.

12 March at 17:08 | Open on kolektiva.social
Chris Real

@anildash

So I'll make a deal with you, Big Follower. You give Marcy $1000, and the next time, I'll go easier on ProPub (who really doesn't need the money—only its lower-tiered journalists do).

Will you take the challenge?

12 March at 17:15 | Open on kolektiva.social
Schools are superspreaders
Chris Real

@pixplz

You really go to the trouble of typing something like that, knowing it's totally ineffective? That's just lazy.

There's unFollow, there's Block—USE them. That's what they're there for.

12 March at 15:49 | Open on kolektiva.social
Schools are superspreaders

@_chris_real Just look at all the bullshit YOU typed. Why are you still talking, when keeping your damn mouth shut is always an option?

12 March at 16:17 | Open on mastodon.social
Chris Real

@pixplz

So you're the erstwhile hall monitor of Mastodon? I think, nahhh.

If you need people to shut up to make you happy, maybe you should think about your dependancy issues.

Nobody died and left you boss [with censorship powers].

Mastodon gave you a Block. USE it.

12 March at 17:00 | Open on kolektiva.social
Schools are superspreaders

@_chris_real Consider all the shit YOU talked about ProPublica, when you could have just as easily blocked or muted the guy. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. And, you're projecting.

12 March at 18:41 | Open on mastodon.social
Chris Real replied to Schools are superspreaders

@pixplz

This is not shit, this is the public record:

While the Sandler Foundation provided ProPublica with significant financial support, it also has received funding from the Knight Foundation, MacArthur Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Atlantic Philanthropies. ProPublica and the Knight Foundation have various connections.

For example, Paul Steiger, executive chairman of ProPublica, is a trustee of the Knight Foundation. In like manner, Alberto Ibarguen, the president and CEO of the Knight Foundation is on the board of ProPublica. ProPublica, along with other major news outlets, received grant funding from Sam Bankman-Fried, the founder of cryptocurrency exchange FTX.

[Sam Bankman-Fried, indeed!]

ProPublica has attracted attention for the salaries it pays its employees. In 2008, Paul Steiger, the editor of ProPublica, received a salary of $570,000.

@pixplz

This is not shit, this is the public record:

While the Sandler Foundation provided ProPublica with significant financial support, it also has received funding from the Knight Foundation, MacArthur Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Atlantic Philanthropies. ProPublica and the Knight Foundation have various connections.

12 March at 20:31 | Open on kolektiva.social
Sampath Pāṇini ®
Seriously

@_chris_real @ben

Well, today I learned it’s “facist” to work at a non-profit and ask for donations…

You’re history’s greatest monsters, ProPublica! 😅

12 March at 14:15 | Open on dmv.community
Chris Real

@LicensedToKilt @ben

Being misunderstood at the start by third parties who love to creatively expand their misunderstanding is a bottomless pit of useless typing

I'd love to discus it on Pro Publica's account, but they don't deem us worthy of a presence on Mastodon . . .

12 March at 15:46 | Open on kolektiva.social
Chris Real

@LicensedToKilt @ben

Actually, I found they DO have an account somewhere on Mastodon.

My bad.

12 March at 15:52 | Open on kolektiva.social
Chris Real

@LicensedToKilt @ben

From wikipedia:

"ProPublica was the brainchild of Herbert and Marion Sandler, the former chief executives of the Golden West Financial Corporation, who have committed $10 million a year to the project.

"The Sandlers hired Paul Steiger, former managing editor of The Wall Street Journal, to create and run the organization as editor in chief."

Looks like they have private funding after all. No need to sell steak knives.

12 March at 16:15 | Open on kolektiva.social
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