But that design is also a great example how we just started adding plastic to pretty much everything for 1.2% more comfort. That old design was always ok, it never really needed the plastic lid in the first place.

@bastianallgeier Und ich bin erst hart über den (scheinbaren) 9.13. gestolpert 😂

@bastianallgeier Auch sehr rücksichtsvoll, dass der Grafiker das Layout gar nicht verändern und nur „NEU“ an den bisherigen Verschluss-Platzhalter setzen musste.

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https://infosec.exchange/@courts/111809479536563363 😁

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https://youtu.be/OJQ9JmRoMq8?si=9-Toe20jCzR1qbvV

@bastianallgeier I remember when those plastic lids became ubiquitous, I already felt that this is massively over engineered (of course I did not know that word back then 😃)

Also, is this a metaphor for "render things on the server" swing back?😜

@bastianallgeier Schütteln, öffnen und dann in einem Mal geniessen.

@bastianallgeier I've been wondering about that for years! As a kid I loved those "just fold it back" milks. Sure, if you drop them after opening them, you're screwed, but that just taught me to be careful.

@bastianallgeier kennt ihr das Video wo der Typ das Tetra pak im fernsehen vorstellt und daran scheitert es zu öffnen ?

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@bastianallgeier @guenterhack iglo hatte vor ein paar jahren seine tk-kräuter in boykottwürdige plastikbecher mit deckel umgetopft.
vor etwa zwei jahren wurde dann die großartige neue idee, dass das auch in karton geht, gepriesen.
90% der konkurrenzprodukte hatten derweil nie was anderes als karton gesehen. 🤦‍♀️ markenwahrnehmung ist schon spannend.

@bastianallgeier man i always hated the plastic lid, high time that they reverso to the 80ies style

@bastianallgeier@mastodon.social Wow. 40% increase of me throwing away the product because it got bad faster without a nice airtight seal that the lid provides. I remember the 80s and 90s. I threw away a lot more food because of this very issue.

@bastianallgeier 😂😁

@bastianallgeier I have come to suspect, they added the lid, so they can pull off this “brilliant coup” in this day and age.

@bastianallgeier @tim I remember the good old days when you had reusable spouts that you just pierced into the carton.

Similar to these ones: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195831316540

@bastianallgeier Also ich hab keine Recherche vorher betrieben über die genaue Bilanz, aber mir ist nicht klar, warum Milch nicht einer Mehrweg-Flasche sein sollte. Finde sehr fragwürdig, statt einer recyclebaren Verpackung, die in wenigen Jahren zu Sand wird, ein Plastik zu nehmen, was uns noch Jahrtausende Probleme machen wird. Denke die Energie für die Reinigung kann in Zukunft komplett grün werden? 🤔

@bastianallgeier The more I think about this, the more questions I have. „40% less plastics“ - why only 40%? The cap accounts for just 40% of all plastics in this packaging? Yeah, ok, there’s a coating on the inside for sure, but that much? 🧐

@bastianallgeier Brilliant

@bastianallgeier 20y from now: milk in bottles. BAMM. 'The all new WAB®'*

* Waste avoidance bootle.

@bastianallgeier @Beedazzled much better than the reduced-size ones in NL where the screw top does not come off, which spills 40% of the content if you forget turning them around before pouring...

@bastianallgeier True enough, but don't wait much longer. Wird sonst sauer. 😉

@bastianallgeier When are we going to go back to having a milkman? Electric vehicle, glass bottles that are returned and reused, groceries delivered to your door each morning...
Who thought going to a supermarket to buy plastic bottles would be better?

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@bastianallgeier In Quebec the less expensive brands of milk come in these traditional cartons because they're cheaper to make. But we also sell milk in plastic bags so...

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70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKDR1Q19BzU

@bastianallgeier This is actually my first "full circle" experience. I still remember when my family bought the first package with a plastic cap and everyone wondered why it had been added.

Now, 25 years later, the invention cycle has come full circle.

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Ist eigentlich nichts neues, die Tetra Paks vor 40 Jahren (?) waren auch so, dann kamen irgendwann die Schraubverschlüsse drauf.
Wobei es ohne die Schraubverschlüsse auch gut geht, gut wenn sich das wieder durchsetzen würde.

@bastianallgeier The 80/90s were not so bad.

@bastianallgeier Also ich sähe ja am liebsten wieder die "Milch"-Pfandflaschen wieder in den Regalen (teilweise werden die ja noch für Kakaomilch verwendet).

@bastianallgeier Here in Finland, cow's milk is still sold in those original non-plastic cartons. I've been wondering if that's because it goes bad pretty bad on the shelf anyway. With the plastic lids, you can use a stronger glue in the carton seams. So products that have a longer shelf life than cow's milk maybe have an even slightly longer self life?

Also I have a friend with arthritis who claims she can open the plastic lids or caps more easily. Others have the opposite experience.

@bastianallgeier they came up with this brand new thing: different diapers for boys and girls!

I immediately thought "wow, I wonder how long it takes for them to sell us something radically new: unisex diapers!"

@bastianallgeier Maybe not Aldi, but I know some supermarkets *will* mark up the price due to this remarkable feat of innovation.