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Julian Fietkau

@bonfire I'm into it. 👍

Going by the website, it looks like ORCID itself isn't (yet?) officially involved with this project. I'm guessing you're using their API.

I've recently been thinking about a potential project to make ORCID records ActivityPub-followable, to keep up to date about colleagues who don't personally use the fediverse yet. Does that sound interesting? Are there ethical concerns? There used to be at least one ORCID-to-RSS service but it's been dead for a while.

27 February at 14:32 | Wall-to-wall | Open on fietkau.social
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Bonfire

@julian Great idea!

Our prototype enables users to create a federated ORCID account by linking it to Bonfire, so others can follow and receive their latest publications. To make any/all ORCID records AP-followable, a direct collaboration with ORCID would be ideal. This could ensure a unique canonical federated account per researcher and a way for people to "claim" it when joining the fediverse, including the migration of previous followers.

@open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn @brembs

27 February at 14:53 | Open on indieweb.social
Björn Brembs

@bonfire @julian @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

Hmm, I used to know some people at ORCID. Let me check if they are still there...

27 February at 14:54 | Open on mastodon.social
Julian Fietkau

@brembs @bonfire The reason I've been a bit reluctant to barge ahead with this idea (besides personal bandwidth) is ORCID's API structure, which limits record update notifications to premium members: info.orcid.org/membership/ So if we're talking about a service that effectively allows third parties to subscribe to ORCID record update feeds, I wonder if things would get all lawyery all of a sudden. 😬 But I'll ask them about it some time if no one gets ahead of me.

@open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

@brembs @bonfire The reason I've been a bit reluctant to barge ahead with this idea (besides personal bandwidth) is ORCID's API structure, which limits record update notifications to premium members: info.orcid.org/membership/ So if we're talking about a service that effectively allows third parties to subscribe to ORCID record update feeds, I wonder if things would get all lawyery all of a sudden. 😬 But I'll ask them about it some time if no one gets ahead of me.

27 February at 14:59 | Open on fietkau.social
Dr. jonny phd

@julian
@brembs @bonfire @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn
Oh dang we pretty much have this working with ORCID, Crossref, and openalex to RSS feeds, I just need to launch the server. I forget how much interest there is in this

27 February at 17:55 | Open on neuromatch.social
Björn Brembs

@bonfire @julian @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

Unfortunately, all the people formerly affiliated with ORCID that I knew personally appear to have left.

27 February at 14:59 | Open on mastodon.social
Nicolas Fressengeas

@brembs
If it helps, I am on ORCID board. This indeed sounds very interesting.
@bonfire @julian @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

27 February at 15:00 | Open on fediscience.org
Björn Brembs

@fresseng @bonfire @julian @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

I did see that, when I looked, just now.
Excellent! Would be great to hear that something may be moving in thi direction!

P.S.: This would sort of remind me of FriendFeed, where we could subscribe to the RSS feeds of friends who, in turn, assembled their feeds from their various contributions. Would be wonderful to recover some of that previous functionality we have been missing for so long.

27 February at 15:11 | Open on mastodon.social
Nicolas Fressengeas

@brembs
I have to think about it, but I could liaise with ORCID product team. I still have to understand exactly what for exactly. I have the feeling they would be interested.
@bonfire @julian @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

27 February at 15:35 | Open on fediscience.org
Julian Fietkau

@fresseng If ORCID is willing to have this under their aegis, I think I could come up with an implementation to make ORCID records AP-followable, at least as a prototype. My own ActivityPub work is kind of early stage and I don't have much experience scaling things up, but we could test something with an early-adopter community, see if it makes sense, and then maybe rearchitect with @bonfire. 🙂

@brembs @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn
27 February at 15:53 | Open on fietkau.social
Björn Brembs
Nicolas Fressengeas

@julian
Alright! This looks good. I think I could introduce you to Tom Demeranville (head of product team) with this kind of project, so that you may chat together. Please send me an email with these details so that I can get yours and liaise with Tom (my email is on my ORCID)
@bonfire @brembs @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

27 February at 17:15 | Open on fediscience.org
Bonfire

@julian

Let's schedule a call to discuss how to best collaborate on this?

@fresseng @brembs @open_science @jorge @UlrikeHahn

27 February at 17:29 | Open on indieweb.social
Julian Fietkau

@bonfire I'm super in favor of having you there for the project exploration with ORCID, since you've already done the work of converting ORCID records (via their API) to ActivityPub actors, which I'd describe as the only challenging technical part of my proposal. The rest is all about getting the right people together and in agreement that this is a worthwhile project.

Since @fresseng suggested moving to email, wanna ping me at julian@fietkau.me? I'll CC you for my opening mail.

27 February at 17:53 | Open on fietkau.social
Dr. jonny phd
Julian Fietkau

@jonny I think ORCID, assuming they'll agree to do an ActivityPub project in-house, will want to run something that uses only their API and no external data sources. But there is clearly a lot of overlap with what you're doing. Wanna be part of the email thread and/or potentially a future Zoom call? fietkau.social/@julian/1120047

@bonfire @fresseng @brembs

27 February at 18:04 | Open on fietkau.social
Dr. jonny phd replied to Julian

@julian
@bonfire @fresseng @brembs
Ya I am inclined to build offroad small web tech that scavenges, lives off the land, and slips in the open cracks :) complementary approaches

27 February at 18:32 | Open on neuromatch.social
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