Gregory's ServerIf anyone, especially the Nvidia CEO, tells you not to teach your kids maths, science, coding, art, or personal finance. Ignore him and do the opposite of what he is saying. Teach your kids the skills they need to thrive. Embrace education for all kids. By encouraging critical thinking and a love of learning, you give your kids powerful tools to shape their futures, which also helps build strong nations.
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@nixCraft of course they would discourage... "No one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them" - Assata Shakur @nixCraft "ceo of company making money from selling shovels tells people to stop whatever they're doing and buy shovels to dig more holes. says holes are the future." i find it fascinating that this is getting so much attention. i mean, even setting the conflict of interest aside: why should his predictions be reliable. they build the hardware, not the AI.  @nixCraft He didn't say to not teach kids math or science. He specifically said to not teach kids coding. I'm an ex-programmer myself, and I agree with him in this day and age. "Teach your kids the skills they need to thrive." Exactly. And that can't be done with coding in the age of AI. Not anymore. 20 years ago, yes, I'd say go for it. But not today. Today, you need to pick careers that AI won't touch for another 20 years. After that time, all bets are off anyway, as robotics is coming too. @eugenialoli @nixCraft @eugenialoli @eugenialoli While there is a lot of other machine learning going on, this usually requires domain specific modelling. Such a model will be able to replace a programmer only after we have figured out how programming should actually be done. @eugenialoli  @denki @eugenialoli @nixCraft And the code models are trained on stackoverflow answers so... yeah. @denki @nixCraft Only a few software houses will care about "better" code, most would care about "faster-written" code. That way, they can reduce costs. This alone, makes the chance of someone young getting employed very slim, making the advice of "don't become a coder in the age of AI", a sound advice. You can still learn to code for fun, sure. But not to make a good buck. @eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft So it can fail faster. You do however need to know the basics of code to become a debugger, and those I suspect will be in demand. @ariaflame @denki @nixCraft Look at the state of modern furniture, household devices, clothes. Their quality is a far cry from the stuff you could buy in the 1970s. And yet, no one cares, everything is replaceable now, a commodity. Apart from some important code for banks/taxes/etc which will employ humans, all the other "apps" would be low quality AI code. They will fail often, and no one will care. People will move on. @ariaflame @denki @nixCraft It's not cynicism, it's objectivity. I'm old enough to remember the washing machine of my ex-mother in law, that she bought in Germany in 1963, and she still had it working until the mid-2000s. That's durability that is currently not built in to ANYTHING these days. Why would consumer apps be any different? Capitalism always strives to commodify everything, so it creates sizable markets with low entry point. That's how it "grows". It's not good, but it's what it is. @phi1997 @ariaflame Maybe you're right. Diogenes has always been my favorite philosopher. He told it like he saw it. @eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft Besides, learning coding isn't just about being a coder. It's about learning to problem solve, to break down a problem into pieces so small even a computer can understand them. At which point hopefully you do to. @ariaflame @denki @nixCraft Yes, as I wrote in the thread, learning to code for fun, is fine. But not to create a career that would give you the money you could make if you were born 20 years earlier. These days are gone, forever. The programmer as a sure fire professional with lots, LOTS of money per year, is gone. @eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft Most of the tools I'm using these days in my work didn't exist until I was in postgraduate study. I'm not sure that all programmers made lots of money anyway. People will adapt. @ariaflame @denki @nixCraft You can only adapt around tools that allow you to manipulate the tool in different directions. That's how you "adapt". AI does not allow you to do that. I estimate that eventually, within the next 30-40 years, AI will be having 85% of all jobs. Only a 15% of the population, the "overseeers", will have an actual job. @eugenialoli @eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft That ... wouldn't help. A bug in *any* of the code can be disastrous. It *all* has to be free of (serious) bugs. @eugenialoli @nixCraft Even if AI could be expected to totally replace every software engineer in the workforce it's still a valuable skill as it teaches different ways to think. If we were to stop educating kids in fields we anticipate AI could do 100% then we'd end up not teaching them anything. And AI is just nowhere near being able to do that.  @eugenialoli @nixCraft but there’s a difference between “don’t make computer science your only focus” and “don’t teach your kids to code” There’s much value in learning to program software even if it becomes much less lucrative as a career @peterbutler @nixCraft This was cleared up in the discussion tree. Besides, the nvidia guy surely he meant it as a career, not as a hobby. @eugenialoli @peterbutler @nixCraft FYI: no-one here can see the whole "discussion tree". A drawback of the distributed nature of the fediverse. @eugenialoli @nixCraft I heard it said, focus your career on something you have to lay your hands upon. If your job can be done on a computer in your basement, it can be done in someone else's basement on the other side of the planet. Don't want to pay a plumber to take the job? Fine, clean out your own pipes. @eugenialoli @nixCraft except currently AI is a stochastic parrot spouting crap 99% of the time. AI don't create or understand it just do ugly copypasta of code written.by someone else. @eugenialoli @nixCraft wish they'd work on automating executive roles as hard as they work on putting artists, writers, videographers, receptionists, and programmers out of work. @eugenialoli @nixCraft So-called "AI" will be dead within two years -- at least as the miracle thing that will replace coding (helpdesks / artists/ animators / plumbers / whatever). It's a grift. It can't think or learn, and it can't get better at these things without starting again from scratch. Those that say otherwise are selling something. It does have some value as brainstorming tool -- or anywhere else where it doesn't have to be 100% right.   @nixCraft WHO SAYS WHAT ?? 😱 CRITICAL THINKING is the most important thing ! Also "you need a SET of skills/teaching of different things to make you able to understand different things and compare. And then you need to be taught "how to use your mind to think/solve problems" is not "pointless" it what gives you "the tools to analyse and make your own conclusions from facts or ideas".  The Nvidia CEO is telling people not to teach their kids STEM, art, and personal finance?  All of that except coding. If my kids had learned coding, they'd have learned COBOL and FORTRAN. I assure you, whatever hot language they learn today will NOT be useful when they go to work. Given all the other skills, coding is literally just learning other specialized languages to express the other fields and there *will* be better ones. @AnonymooseGuy @nixCraft True, but learning *how to code* is a transferrable skill.   Nvidia : Learn farming, not programming. @nixCraft Aye, I did raise an eyebrow over the "Don't learn coding, kids, let AI do it". Noteworthy coming from someone rolling in cash from the AI train. @nixCraft AI is doing nothing to help with the loud spinning fan noise and crashing proprietary driver. “I myself shall certainly continue to leave such research to others, and to devote my time to developing concepts that are authentic and trustworthy. And I hope you do the same.” —Don Knuth https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.txt #donknuth |
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