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Eugenia L

@denki @nixCraft Only a few software houses will care about "better" code, most would care about "faster-written" code. That way, they can reduce costs. This alone, makes the chance of someone young getting employed very slim, making the advice of "don't become a coder in the age of AI", a sound advice. You can still learn to code for fun, sure. But not to make a good buck.

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Ariaflame

@eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft So it can fail faster. You do however need to know the basics of code to become a debugger, and those I suspect will be in demand.

Eugenia L

@ariaflame @denki @nixCraft Look at the state of modern furniture, household devices, clothes. Their quality is a far cry from the stuff you could buy in the 1970s. And yet, no one cares, everything is replaceable now, a commodity. Apart from some important code for banks/taxes/etc which will employ humans, all the other "apps" would be low quality AI code. They will fail often, and no one will care. People will move on.

Eugenia L

@ariaflame @denki @nixCraft It's not cynicism, it's objectivity. I'm old enough to remember the washing machine of my ex-mother in law, that she bought in Germany in 1963, and she still had it working until the mid-2000s. That's durability that is currently not built in to ANYTHING these days. Why would consumer apps be any different? Capitalism always strives to commodify everything, so it creates sizable markets with low entry point. That's how it "grows". It's not good, but it's what it is.

Eugenia L

@phi1997 @ariaflame Maybe you're right. Diogenes has always been my favorite philosopher. He told it like he saw it.

Ariaflame

@eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft Besides, learning coding isn't just about being a coder. It's about learning to problem solve, to break down a problem into pieces so small even a computer can understand them. At which point hopefully you do to.

Eugenia L

@ariaflame @denki @nixCraft Yes, as I wrote in the thread, learning to code for fun, is fine. But not to create a career that would give you the money you could make if you were born 20 years earlier. These days are gone, forever. The programmer as a sure fire professional with lots, LOTS of money per year, is gone.

Ariaflame

@eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft Most of the tools I'm using these days in my work didn't exist until I was in postgraduate study. I'm not sure that all programmers made lots of money anyway. People will adapt.

Eugenia L

@ariaflame @denki @nixCraft You can only adapt around tools that allow you to manipulate the tool in different directions. That's how you "adapt". AI does not allow you to do that. I estimate that eventually, within the next 30-40 years, AI will be having 85% of all jobs. Only a 15% of the population, the "overseeers", will have an actual job.

Ariaflame

@eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft I think you're overestimating AI's abilities.

Tobias Denkinger

@eugenialoli
Writing worse code faster is cheaper only in the short term. It produces technical debt that will have to be paid later. Many managers don't care about that because the problem is not big enough with human programmers that care about their craft. The problem will, however, become big enough to care once AI produces enough code.
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Eugenia L

@denki @nixCraft I replied on this in the thread elsewhere. Some crucial code will use humans. The majority will just use low quality AI code. Because it'd be commodified to pieces.

Fish Id Wardrobe

@eugenialoli @denki @nixCraft That ... wouldn't help. A bug in *any* of the code can be disastrous. It *all* has to be free of (serious) bugs.

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