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Johannes Ernst

What would you say the #Bluesky people are trying to build? Why does it matter to them?

What about the #Mastodon people? What are they trying to build, and why does it matter to them?

And what about the broader #fediverse? What are we all trying to build, and why does it matter to us?

Curious what everybody thinks.

6 February at 22:00 | Open on social.coop
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Internet Rando

@J12t

My rando opinion (whoever I'm supposed to be) is.. Well.. We're (us #fedi types) trying to build *our* social networks out of people we actually (want to) network with. We are the community gardens of social media, where each "neighborhood" tends to its own, and shares with everyone. We are the new growth forest using the mycelial internet to share our nutirents with each other. We're trying to shape our digital society in the image of the society we (want to) live in.

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6 February at 22:11 | Open on mastodon.seattlematrix.org
Internet Rando

@J12t

My rando opinion (whoever I'm supposed to be) is.. Well, we're (us #fedi types) trying to build *our* social networks out of people we actually (want to) network with. We are the community gardens of social media, where each "neighborhood" tends to its own, and shares alike. We are the new growth forest using the mycelium/internet to share our nutirents/stories/experiences with each other. We're trying to shape our digital society in the image of the society we (want to) live in.

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6 February at 22:11 | Open on mastodon.seattlematrix.org
Amgine

@J12t

For people, it's a fort. Or a warm place, or a playground, or a gallery. Some place to shout into the ether and, hopefully, get an echo.

For companies, it is another place to harvest data, only with a few more hurdles, and far too level for their preferences.

For me it is a petri dish of social concepts and preconceptions, designed to accelerate all the stages of cultural evolution, but especially decay and diaspora.

7 February at 0:18 | Open on mstdn.ca
Mark Shane Hayden

@J12t the #Bluesky vision for the internet appears to most resemble a shopping mall. The architecture is (or rather, will be...if they deliver on their promises, which has not happened yet) open to anyone who can afford the rent and has the skills and acumen to run a metaphorical "retail business" in this mall. The people who participate will have the illusory freedom to pick and choose their services from the retailers (applications, content moderation services, data processing services etc) but the providers run the show.

The #Fediverse is trying to restore the community-centric nature of the early web. Fedi instances are more like community centres, local pubs, that house down the street where all the kids hang out and play street hockey and so on. Some local shops would be there too for sure, but the vision is more about community I think. With #Threads starting to federate and the established dominance of Gargron's servers it will be a constant challenge to maintain that vision but it's still there.

@J12t the #Bluesky vision for the internet appears to most resemble a shopping mall. The architecture is (or rather, will be...if they deliver on their promises, which has not happened yet) open to anyone who can afford the rent and has the skills and acumen to run a metaphorical "retail business" in this mall. The people who participate will have the illusory freedom to pick and choose their services from the retailers (applications, content moderation services, data processing services etc) but...

7 February at 2:52 | Open on coales.co
Johannes Ernst

@msh I have not heard of a connection of Bluesky and the “retail business” as you call it. How do you see it differently from somebody setting up an instance here?

7 February at 3:07 | Open on social.coop
Mark Shane Hayden

@J12t well "retail business" is part of the "shopping mall" metaphor, AT protocol services don't technically need to be provided by a retail business, but due to the nature of the architecture Bluesky is built upon retail/commercial business will most likely be the service providers.

When you set up a mastodon/pixelfed/lemmy/peertube/etc. instance you are building an independently operated server...metaphorically a place like a home, or pub, or a park or whatever...that is owned and operated top to bottom by you (or your team)...you maintain the app, decide how to store the data, manage logins/accounts, do the moderation etc. A fedi server/instance is thus a natural place to establish a community.

The way Bluesky and future AT services are designed to work is that "servers don't matter". You can provide logins/identities as a service, content moderation as another service, host applications like a microblog or video sharing or whatever as a service etc...and people pick and choose those services...

@J12t well "retail business" is part of the "shopping mall" metaphor, AT protocol services don't technically need to be provided by a retail business, but due to the nature of the architecture Bluesky is built upon retail/commercial business will most likely be the service providers.

When you set up a mastodon/pixelfed/lemmy/peertube/etc. instance you are building an independently operated server...metaphorically a place like a home, or pub, or a park or whatever...that is owned and operated top...

7 February at 4:26 | Open on coales.co
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