@AlisonCreekside Also, society can survive without ChatGPT and many of the AI tools being created. What actual value do the models of AI bring for society as a whole that isn't, in fact, negative value and harm? (This does not mean we couldn't find useful and actually constructive uses for these technologies but that's not what we're doing.)

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yes.
law and laywwrs and courfs were inveted by the rich, for the rich.
it serves legal experts and the rich against the masses

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The rules & who gets to write/enforce them, determine the winners & losers
Always have, Always will
Capital gets a seat at the table for the writing/enforcing, the rest of us are relegated to making the occasional binary choice or some other meaningless option for providing input

@AlisonCreekside @mcc had that same thought long ago here on #fediverse : https://chaos.social/@Sweetshark/110692384427903700

@AlisonCreekside Because laws are written and enforced by the people in power. When these people break them, they just don't apply. Laws are inherently different from physics laws. A missnomer, they are enforced social rules.

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"same people fighting for years aganst DRM and Copyright, is now advocating DRM and Compyright on literally everything ever produced"

@AlisonCreekside the law protects but does not bind thee; binds but does not protect me

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So they do let people in. Mmmmm 😂

@AlisonCreekside intellectual property is theft.

@AlisonCreekside Well, that is bad.

@AlisonCreekside capitalism isn't an economic system; it's a philosophy, a system of ideas and policies, with the central tenant of favoring those with capital (money).

@AlisonCreekside past time for copyright reform anyway. Make the capitalists fight each other.

@AlisonCreekside@mstdn.ca I think way too much about Aaron Swartz every time I read another simpering whine from a capitalist about how small time writers and artists are just being big meanies

especially because what he was likely doing was apparently legal, but also, morally fucking correct.

@AlisonCreekside So true. Without capital, how will the lawyers that argue the cases be compensated?

Quite the interesting time for the idea of copyright. What was once intended to protect creators is now just another law.... Is the Holographic banana the new digital copyright?

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I remember when "piracy" used to mean slaughtering people and removing their possessions.

Somehow it changed to: Clicking an unauthorized link.

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Unless one is an academic who leaves out quote marks.

@AlisonCreekside it's the golden rule: those with the gold make the rules.

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It has always been like this and it probably ever will. They would not be billionaires without being ruthless, more like modern pirates, taking whatever they like, want... forcing law around it. Funny though when in a democracy the law should be made for the majority and protect (artist's) property. But even major artists sell their music to companies in the end to cash in, turning songs into shares, used and twisted to the companies' benefit. Money mostly seduces in the end

@AlisonCreekside "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -- Frank Wilhoit

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Copyright extension was a mistake, when Metallica did it and when authors do it now. They are all afraid that someone might do anything new without them receiving a cut.

@AlisonCreekside Million worth lawyers against Million worth Lawyers is a tie for the recording industry.
Million worth lawyers against a pro bono or even unpresented defendant is a win for the recording industry….

@AlisonCreekside the Metallica case radicalized my high school self. Circa 2002 I was walking around my rural school in an anti-RIAA t-shirt soapboxing, and no one had a clue what I was going on about.

@AlisonCreekside Back to traditional democracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy#Antiquity

@AlisonCreekside Oh my god it's actually true. 😑

@AlisonCreekside Wilhoit’s Law, evergreen.

#WilhoitsLaw

@AlisonCreekside The punishment for willingly owning St. Anger cant be high enough

@AlisonCreekside imagine a carpenter would walk into somebody else‘s workshop, buld furniture with their ressources, and sell the result without asking for permission and paying them for the use of their equipment and material. That‘s just theft, and nobody would ever think otherwise

@AlisonCreekside Impossible to create unless we break law - then don't. Simple. Not sure law was meant to be optional...

@AlisonCreekside Seems a little premature. Considering the law hasn't actually spoken on this yet (OpenAI is not, in fact the law).. and I'm also not convinced any teenagers were successfully sued for 'millions of dollars' because they 'torrented a single Metallica album'.

Seems to me like deliberate misinformation mostly.

@AlisonCreekside That username slaps

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OMG too true.
These "end-stage capitalism" jokes get sharper and sharper.

@AlisonCreekside I was looking for stupid pro-IP things capitalists say and that one is perfect, thanks!

@AlisonCreekside And 20 years ago a million kids listened to Metallica, learned to play Enter Sandman badly and went and wrote their own stuff in time legally.

The real questions are not about using it, but then copying it and what degree of influence is copying. "AI" reading/listening to content is good, it's the same law and rights that lets you read content, lets search engines and screen readers work.

When it starts sharing, redistributing stuff well beyond "influenced by" it's a problem

@AlisonCreekside i am mostly unreasonably amused by the name "Komm süsser Tod Howard" 🤣.

also capital has no interests, the state's law serves the state, and copyright serves to control the flow of information. initially it wasn't even the authors but the printers. it was a privilege for printers to copy certain works (hence the name), after the centralized mode of censorship became unviable.

@AlisonCreekside Wilhoit conservatism:

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10005830-there-is-no-such-thing-as-liberalism-or-progressivism

@AlisonCreekside same teenagers perhaps?