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Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@lynnesbian 5 years later and we have 1mio users on flathub. I think by now we have a good way to run linux apps on linux that isnt going to break in 2 month thanks to stable runtimes.

28 January at 9:55 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mstdn.social
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Lynnesbian :bune_ylw:

@fabiscafe
flathub is absolutely the best solution in this area, at least in my opinion, but it's still flawed - e.g. the discord flatpak can't see what game you're playing, firefox's kde plasma integration is broken, etc.

and of course, flatpak doesn't do command line programs

28 January at 10:13 | Open on fedi.lynnesbian.space
Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@lynnesbian hmm What Plasma integration does not work?

For the rest, yes. Discord would probably need another portal to look up processes and I dont know if this would be a good idea at all. But given how broken this functionality is on Linux in general I dont see any need to act on it tbh.

CLI apps are possible. It's just that they probably need to read outside the runtime and so would need to be build around portals (that probably dont exist rn). Maybe not worth it..

28 January at 10:30 | Open on mstdn.social
Lynnesbian :bune_ylw:
Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@lynnesbian Yeah. Sure thats a problem. Still i think this as a general one, outside of flatpak. Addons should not communicate without restrictioins to the system below. It's just that only now we have such a restriction that apps cant simply do whatever they want. But yes, it's problematic for now.

28 January at 12:28 | Open on mstdn.social
Danil

@fabiscafe @lynnesbian > isnt going to break in 2 month

Many complex linux software depends on GPU and kernel features.
What flatpak do - cut all features - and software will work impossible slow with no use of GPU features.
Basic obvious example - Firefox.
Native Firefox work multiple times faster.

And there more software in flatpak builds that does not even work, software that designed to do stuff GPU-stuff and modern features.

Building software with "no features" - this is not solution.

@fabiscafe @lynnesbian > isnt going to break in 2 month

Many complex linux software depends on GPU and kernel features.
What flatpak do - cut all features - and software will work impossible slow with no use of GPU features.
Basic obvious example - Firefox.
Native Firefox work multiple times faster.

29 January at 2:37 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Lynnesbian :bune_ylw:

@danil @fabiscafe
flatpaks definitely support GPU acceleration...

29 January at 2:54 | Open on fedi.lynnesbian.space
Danil

@lynnesbian @fabiscafe not all types, and I mention combination of kernel features+GPU acceleration, and GPU part does not work without kernel features - and flatpak remove kernel features - GPU acceleration that depends on those also removed - slowdown/downgrade

29 January at 4:39 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@danil @lynnesbian Is there an example of something that's not possible?

29 January at 10:06 | Open on mstdn.social
Danil

@fabiscafe @lynnesbian entire python ML-CUDA stuff, and its replacement for Vulkan-compute and AMD ROCM.
I step on it few month ago - wanted to install some libs and they were "presented" only in flatpak - I installed - it does not even work because all GPU-kernel features just cut.
I do not remember name, and will not waste time trying to find it.
I also listed Firefox as obvious example - Firefox depends on kernel features that allow to "fast swap GPU-memory" - compare WebGL there.

29 January at 15:18 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@danil @lynnesbian True, the entire Nvidia stack depends on a matching version of the nvidia driver inside the flatpak runtime and on the system. If you mix in wayland, you also need GBM and KMS enabled on the "host" side and if you then mix in xwayland, you also need a pretty recent (latest?) driver version. Thats not flatpak, but mostly Nvidia.

So pretty much anything that uses freedesktop runtime >=21.08.9 should work.

29 January at 15:34 | Open on mstdn.social
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