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Stefan Baur 6 * 💉

@freemin7 I wonder if the Schienenfreunde Cartel was only about steel or also about sleepers …

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Johann-Tobias Schäg replied to Stefan Baur 6 * 💉

@farbenstau
It seems that was about the total price of the rail.
The limited competition i alluded to is just a "it cost money to transport things over long distances"-thing in my mind. Building one concrete industry isn't a problem but if there is a cheap local supplier producing subpar goods which become subpar after 2 decades, that's a hard market to disrupt.

BTW, it totally was a geographical issues combined with bad procress control according to the german wikipedia:

@farbenstau
It seems that was about the total price of the rail.
The limited competition i alluded to is just a "it cost money to transport things over long distances"-thing in my mind. Building one concrete industry isn't a problem but if there is a cheap local supplier producing subpar goods which become subpar after 2 decades, that's a hard market to disrupt.

Johann-Tobias Schäg replied to Johann-Tobias

@farbenstau

Als alkaliempfindlich gelten Gesteine, die amorphe oder feinkristalline Silicate enthalten, wie z. B. Opalsandstein und poröser Flint. Insbesondere die in Norddeutschland in größeren Mengen vorkommenden Opalsandsteine sowie die Grauwackevorkommen in der Lausitz können schädliche Mengen an alkalilöslicher Kieselsäure enthalten. Durch Verwendung von Zementen mit niedrig wirksamem Alkaligehalt (mit „(na)“ hinter der Normbezeichnung gekennzeichnet)

Johann-Tobias Schäg replied to Johann-Tobias

@farbenstau
und durch Begrenzung des Zementgehaltes im Beton kann bei Verwendung von Betonzuschlägen mit alkaliempfindlichen Bestandteilen die Alkalireaktion meist vermieden werden.

Johann-Tobias Schäg replied to Stefan Baur 6 * 💉

@farbenstau The question is:
Does "meist" become always when it's done properly and it's a failuire to do properly causing the meist?
Or is it always random?

I think the concrentation of such defects in particular orders for particular installation kinda speaks against a truely random "meist"? However in east germany "concrete cancer" also impacted some "Plattenbau"s but also in local clusters. 🤷

Stefan Baur 6 * 💉 replied to Johann-Tobias

@freemin7 To me, it sounds like you cannot rule it out completely, either due to the source material being too heterogenous in nature, or due to factors that are not completely known/understood yet. So you need rigid quality control, both during manufacturing and at regular intervals once the sleepers are in place.

Johann-Tobias Schäg replied to Johann-Tobias

@farbenstau
But i was wrong about it just being process control. Fixing it requires a significiant amount of different material which is non local or more expensive. Lack of process control + cheapening out.

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