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 @yabellini to be fair, sampling in music is without permission is also illegal, but if you distort the sample enough to be hard to algorithmically detect, you'll probably get away with it. I guess the counterpoint is that scihub is stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, while OpenAI is doing the opposite. 29 comments
@kinyutaka @yabellini that's my point. IMO it's an argument in favour of LLMs. Personally I don't think copyright should exist at all. But while it does, the fact that you can get away with breaching it if you are rich enough sucks.  I think copyright should exist. For 28 years, like it used to... If you can't profit off your work after a quarter of your life, maybe it's time for other hands to give it a try. @kinyutaka @yabellini that would definitely be a good first step! Also non-transferability (no selling or inheriting) Though, really, if the limit is 28 years, you can make the argument for inheritance, because the family didn't get the benefit of the full earnings. The fact that I could draw a new character for a one off story and it is copyrighted for decades after I die is horseshit. Popeye is older than my dead grandparents and we still have to wait to draw pictures of him.  @kinyutaka @naught101 @yabellini Screw inheritance. Give all children access to free education, healthcare and sufficient funds for a healthy (not poverty stressed) upbringing. Let's not have them own trusts and shares and real estate based on their parents'/ancestors' exploitation of others. Also. Let's take away the 'ability' of legal bodies to own anything. @grumble209 @kinyutaka @naught101 @yabellini Non-native, I probably picked the wrong word. Legal persons, legal entities? @zombiecide @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini So, no inheritance for anything? Not homes, not intellectual property, not favored possessions? What happens to the things that would otherwise be inherited? @kinyutaka @zombiecide @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini Inheritance should only be for personal possessions. Furniture, mementos, etc. @adaliabooks @kinyutaka @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini My take on that is "Do you need two chairs? No, your arse only covers one? Then you only get one chair.*" I'm all for everyone getting some kind of voucher for basic housing on reaching adulthood, which could be put into buying part of your parents' place (the rest you'd have to pay from wages), or in a coop so you can move more easily etc. Land should be in the commons + community administered *big chairs, wheelchairs are available @zombiecide @adaliabooks @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini As someone who doesn't have a house, I look forward to getting what little cash I get from an inheritance, which would be enough to get a down payment going on my own. I believe that every adult should have the means to own a home, but home ownership implies being able to keep the home and pass it to children. Where you have a point is the people with the million dollar mansion and 5 vacation homes. @kinyutaka "home ownership implies being able to keep the home and pass it to children" My idea is based on trying to balance needs, fairness, realities of life and environmental impact. In my country, per capita living space has been growing (almost 50m2 for a single person atm) while about 10% live in cramped quarters (more than one person per room, say around 10m2 or less per person), thanks to policy based on self-owned single homes and apartment blocks for rent being supported 1/2 @kinyutaka Many apartment blocks end up in the hands of shady companies located in some tax haven that don't do the legally required upkeep, while in detached homes, adult children move out, people become elderly, they have to pay to maintain the space, they're reliant on a car-based surburban infrastructure even if too frail for a car, their house can't be retrofitted for a wheelchair but they'd lose the only thing their children can inherit, so they stay as long as possible. 2/2 Oh, believe you me, I am not a huge fan of apartment living, but that's what will end up happening if we don't allow and encourage individual home ownership. Here is a proposal, rental inheritance. If a house is being rented out, then the renter inherits the house upon the death of the owner, instead of the children. And a massive penalty to transferring ownership of a rental home to anyone but the renter, including as a gift or a sale. Like, if I am living in a home worth $250,000, and the owner passes the home to his kid to prevent it from going to me, it could cost $225,000 in extra taxes. Congrats, you can keep the house, but you'll never profit. Or they could sell the home to me early, and even if I only give them $100,000 it's more than they'd get from keeping the home and renting it more. And if they just wait, I get the home free. @kinyutaka You just ignored the issued I mentioned about suburbanization, families growing, shrinking and members getting elderly. And with the same floor space in a detached/semi house requiring more resources, land and energy than in an apartment block. Coop housing can cope with all that, syndicated housing even better. I am not sure how co-op or syndicated housing is supposed to work, so I can't speak on that. @kinyutaka @zombiecide @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini But the point is that the reason you don't have a home is because of the shitty capitalist system, of which inheritance is a part. @adaliabooks @zombiecide @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini I guarantee you that if the government gives everyone a home, it's going to be a glorified apartment, with even less maintenance. @kinyutaka @zombiecide @adaliabooks @grumble209 @yabellini The problem is property investors.  @adaliabooks @kinyutaka @zombiecide @grumble209 @naught101 @yabellini this is a very tricky and delicate topic. We should be humble and accept any real solution would be complex and should ensure social justice AND individual liberties, wich sounds beautiful but hard to achieve. I wish some things were different but I only know it would be hard to do the right thing for everyone. @naught101 @kinyutaka @yabellini So ideally, scientists publishing in journals would retain copyright on their work, and give the journal a non-exclusive license to publish. @svgeesus @rochelimit @naught101 @kinyutaka @yabellini And some of those journals make authors pay for open publishing. @svgeesus @naught101 @kinyutaka @yabellini yes, copyright should exist, but with an actual goal of supporting creators. The way copyright is *used* now makes no sense. But neither does removing it entirely. @naught101 @yabellini openai is MUCH WORSE than sampling. Every pixel, every word their tools generate, has been generated from stolen content. Meanwhile few music is actually 100% made of stolen samples. |
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And yet, there is a whole genre of music based on sampling other songs.