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Extinction Rebellion Global

As the effervescent and wonderful Jason Hickel said over at Muskville; "Thanks to a lot of tech bros and economists getting Very Upset about degrowth, this article is now the number one trending publication at Nature."

nature.com/articles/d41586-022

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Kevin Leecaster

@ExtinctionR
ELoon has been on social media a lot yet has never been able to comprehend the Streisand effect. He is such a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

motionsuggests

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Donut Economics by Kate Raworth explains new economic models we can use to help.

Dr Daniel Eriksson πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡¦πŸ‡Ί

@ExtinctionR bet there is a word for 'sad optimism'? Reading this gives rise to some complex feelings along the lines of 'if only we could and turns out we could but we're probably not going to'.

GhostOnTheHalfShell

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Don’t even need that. Just call in a good civil engineer.

12 min video (not monetized)

Wanna save the planet? Change your town's zoning laws.

Best of all, none of us have to be a billionaire oil baron to do so. In fact they might get pissed off. I consider this a perk.

:ablobcathappypaws:

youtu.be/DShceqqNlQo

Kyle Taylor

@ExtinctionR ...wealthy economies should abandon growth of gross domestic product (GDP) as a goal ...

Can't. Advocating for degrowth is a non-starter with economists. In the developing world and advanced economies. Also, the assumption that declining GDP growth will lead to declines in emissions is shaky at best. We don't see this play out in the data. It's possible to grow GDP responsibly, while making a concerted effort to lower emissions. Sweden is doing it.

clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’›

@kta Didn't the 2008 financial crisis and the 2020 pandemic clearly show us that slowed GDP growth gave us lower emissions? I was under the impression they did.

Decoupling is great! But is it enough? And how much is a country that is supposedly successful at it "cheating" by outsourcing emissions? Are emissions from the whole supply chain included in the Swedish figures?

The no-brainer is that if we want to stop putting carbon in the air, we need to stop digging it up. If we dig it up, we will eventually burn it.

@ExtinctionR

@kta Didn't the 2008 financial crisis and the 2020 pandemic clearly show us that slowed GDP growth gave us lower emissions? I was under the impression they did.

Decoupling is great! But is it enough? And how much is a country that is supposedly successful at it "cheating" by outsourcing emissions? Are emissions from the whole supply chain included in the Swedish figures?

crab

@kta @ExtinctionR reducing emissions by outsourcing them to poorer countries is not reducing emissions

keadamander :commodore:

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The building depicted is Wohnpark Alterlaa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alterlaa

While it may provide affordable housing, it is, in my opinion, an architectural disgrace. It just doesn't fit into the surrounding cityscape, at least not at the moment ... and here I'm talking about the last 40 years.

But as always, tastes are different ... if it's the only way to build affordable housing, then so be it.

Andreas K

@keadamander @ExtinctionR Oh, but it's an architectural marvel. Regular mandatory excursions of architect students.

Between GlΓΌck being visionary to include its own park (yes it has its own gardeners, the Wohnpark is special, it has its own administration, and most of it is NOT outsourced to 3rd party firms, it has its own handymen), and some innovative zoning, it has rather huge green areas, that cannot be built upon, no matter what.

Andreas K

@keadamander @ExtinctionR Which considering the mass building of more conventional buildings around it in the 23rd district, is hugely important.

And by cheap, you get for about €500 rent and €500 running costs for about 100mΒ² (everything but electricity):
indoor & roof pools, saunas, tennis, multiple solariums, private security, good public transit with its own underground station, multiple churches, dozens of clubs, an attached mall, 3 city run kindergartens, 2 elementary schools,

Andreas K

@keadamander @ExtinctionR As I discussed it years back, while Alterlaa does not concierges, it manages to provide probably 3/4rd of the services such buildings in the UK/US offer, in an efficient way, for a mini city of around 10K inhabitants, in a very cost effective way.

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