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Chris P. :trek_ds9_sisko:#1️⃣

@dldnh You may be joking, I don't know, but: You should try out CSS's grid api. It's easier, IMO, than getting tables to work correctly, and I made hundreds of contracted websites back in the early-mid 2000s with tables.

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@b4ux1t3 @dldnh Quite honestly: all those newer tech seem rather superfluous if what you want to do isn't invasive nonsense.

I may eat my words at some point in the future, but I think that knowing HTML, CSS, PHP and SQL (and SVG if you want to do Front-End) is literally everything you need to build modern, fast web services. If you get REALLY fancy you *might* could use a little bit of Javascript, but only sparsely and definitely no enormous Framework.

Chris P. :trek_ds9_sisko:#1️⃣

@Natanox @dldnh I mean, I find that general sentiment to be reductive, though my toot was specifically about using built-in CSS to make websites that only use HTML and CSS and still look modern.

Mind you, I make SSR sites (pirateborggenerator.bauxite.te), full-featured single-page WASM-driven apps (dieanalysis.bauxite.tech), statically-generated sites (blog.bauxite.tech), "graceful degradation" (bauxite.tech), and native and CLI applications, so I don't really pick sides.

Stefano

@Natanox @b4ux1t3 @dldnh I'm coming at this as a complete novice, but I guess all these frameworks just wrap most of HTML, CSS, PHP and SQL up in a nice bundle and handle all the hard stuff leaving the developer to concentrate on the BI behind the website, or am I wrong?

Chris P. :trek_ds9_sisko:#1️⃣

@StefanoL @Natanox @dldnh That isn't an _accurate_ way of putting it, but it establishes the premise. :D

PHP is its own whole language and ecosystem, no different from Python or .NET or Java or NodeJS or, or, or. . .You get the idea.

What they're saying is that you don't need "rich client applications" to have a modern web experience, and they're right, but no more right than someone building with a lot of rich client interactions. :)

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