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James 🦉 #FBPE :europe:

@wikipedia Ah but the title, metadata, and database id is. Check and mate Wikipedia.

15 Dec 2023 at 23:44 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.green
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TerrorBite :veripawed3:

@freequaybuoy Then consider the following scenario: I own a boat. Over time, I've replaced every single part of the boat, from the sails to the hull, but it still has the same name (title), the same registration number in the Register of Shipping (database id), and the same overall measurements (metadata). By your own argument, it's still the same boat.

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16 Dec 2023 at 12:16 | Open on meow.social
Joe Breuer

@TerrorBite @freequaybuoy @wikipedia that actually appears to be how those centuries old wooden temples and other structures (at a minimum) in Japan work.

16 Dec 2023 at 13:34 | Open on mastodon.social
James 🦉 #FBPE :europe:

@jmbreuer @TerrorBite @wikipedia See also the Great Mosque of Djenné, which has had its adobe composition replaced many times, yet is still the Great Mosque of Djenné.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mo

16 Dec 2023 at 15:44 | Open on mastodon.green
James 🦉 #FBPE :europe:

@TerrorBite @wikipedia Ah but it is, but not by that argument alone. Objects' distinctions don't really exist, or rather, they are subjective. Where does an object start and end? Are the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks and gluons the same over time? Does it matter? Objects are categories that we assign, based on our particular scale, perception, memory and knowledge. Therefore, Trigger's Broom *is* still Trigger's Broom. Here's Michael for more:
youtu.be/fXW-QjBsruE?si=tClM7w

@TerrorBite @wikipedia Ah but it is, but not by that argument alone. Objects' distinctions don't really exist, or rather, they are subjective. Where does an object start and end? Are the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks and gluons the same over time? Does it matter? Objects are categories that we assign, based on our particular scale, perception, memory and knowledge. Therefore, Trigger's Broom *is* still Trigger's Broom. Here's Michael for more:
youtu.be/fXW-QjBsruE?si=tClM7w

16 Dec 2023 at 15:41 | Open on mastodon.green
binchicken

@freequaybuoy what people fail to realise is that i have been collecting discarded ship parts, and can now build a second and extremely fucked up ship.

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2 October at 20:29 | Open on theblower.au
Julien

@freequaybuoy
I guess the server where it was initially stored has been replaced, and the db migrated a bunch of times. Are they really the same?
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16 Dec 2023 at 16:19 | Open on post.lurk.org
James 🦉 #FBPE :europe:

@julienbidoret @wikipedia The title, metadata and id would be the same regardless of how many replacements or migrations there were.

16 Dec 2023 at 17:38 | Open on mastodon.green
Brian Hawthorne

@freequaybuoy @julienbidoret @wikipedia Just like the name “Ship of Theseus” (in Greek of course) remained the same with the original ship.

17 Dec 2023 at 13:32 | Open on infosec.exchange
James 🦉 #FBPE :europe:

@bhawthorne @julienbidoret @wikipedia Yeah! I think it comes down to agreement. The crew may have replaced all the parts but still sleep and sail on her. They may tell a merchant to load the spices on her, pointing to The Ship of Theseus and they would be none the wiser and agree that is indeed The Ship of Theseus. The knowledge that all parts have been replaced is metadata really, an outside text, requiring additional knowledge. Hence, "Truth is a community."

17 Dec 2023 at 14:21 | Open on mastodon.green
Jeff C
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