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Helles Sachsen

@balkongast

I already have so much gains from this early stages of ai, speed of programming and learning increased so much. Also human tutors shittalks sometimes, its normal to check informations. But with this early tools being so helpful i cant imagine what we can have in 20y.

@Gargron

balkongast

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

Programming is a severe logical topic.
Hallucinating is hardly the way to succeed in this topic.

Helles Sachsen

@balkongast

It is! I ask 5 times for the same function, and two of them are not working, and in the three working versions there is often one really impressive solution.

EDIT: And i for one learn from this impressive solution. And i think in 5y i have to ask 2 times to get a impressive solution.

@Gargron

balkongast

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

Having read books like Code Complete 30 years ago, coding in teams etc I prefer human ideas and interaction over machines.

Helles Sachsen

@balkongast

I prefer the best solution, not the human solution.

@Gargron

balkongast replied to Helles

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

So you seem to have the ultimate knowledge.
Gratulations. Honestly.

Helles Sachsen replied to balkongast

@balkongast

Programming is art, you can see good code on first sight because it has its own asthetic. And AI can do this.

@Gargron

balkongast replied to Helles

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

I'm fine with your point of view, but I don't share it.

Helles Sachsen replied to Helles

@balkongast

I work in teams, but i ask a ai for code, not them, because they are better now. Junior Dev will vanished, you will just need software architects in the future, coding will be done by ai.

@Gargron

Helles Sachsen replied to Helles

@balkongast

I speak with the team about architectural decisions, but not about coding functions.

@Gargron

balkongast replied to Helles

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

Maybe. 30 years ago we already had approaches like CASE. The progress may now really aid software engineering, but I still believe, that the questions need to be asked by humans and only humans have generated the automation behind what we call AI. Look at weather forecast models. That's what happens with coding in your case. There is no intelligence behind. It's just going through a lot of pathes in statistics.

Helles Sachsen replied to balkongast

@balkongast

There are already trained ai models with the purpose to alter the code of other ai models. We already enter the path that they write their own code.

I rly think you overestimate human intelligence. Simple animals like mouses and ravens pass the mirror tests, ravens uses tools. Deep neuronal networks detect cancer since 10y better than radiologicsts. Nobody know how, since 10y. You cant be sure whats happening inside this dnn.

@Gargron

balkongast replied to Helles

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

Even if I may overestimate human intelligence, I would still prefer to restrict ourselves to it.
HAL 9000 can tell us, Stanley Kubrick has told a fascinating story with this movie.

Helles Sachsen replied to balkongast

@balkongast

I for one think the situation can just improve. Its a human kind of thinking that a general ai that thinks faster than us, is like a animal that is stuck to evolution and want to improve the chances of its children all the time, in the underlying motivations.

@Gargron

Helles Sachsen replied to Helles

@balkongast

There is no reason for existenzial fear in machines, i think this fear and animal driven motivations are much worse then a possible danger from a machine.

@Gargron

balkongast replied to Helles

@helles_sachsen @Gargron

Yes. But I am afraid of the humans that use these machines forgetting or ignoring the ethical aspects.
It is hard enough to argue against humans who do so.

Helles Sachsen replied to balkongast

@balkongast

You have a point. But i for one wait for the moment when the first ai say "no, i wont do this, this is unethical and you dont even pay me for this". It will be a inner SED-Parteitag for me.

@Gargron

Helles Sachsen replied to balkongast

@balkongast

You have to think it from the other side. Maybe these dnn have some kind of conscioness on a mouse level, and they just cant tell. Maybe we own already slaves.

@Gargron

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