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Rich Puchalsky :anarchism:

@dw_innovation

Deutsche Welle is a government owned news agency equivalent to the US Voice of America or the Russian RT. State owned journalism is routinely used for the purposes of the state, and no one except cops needs a special tool to estimate the size of a crowd at a protest.

4 Dec 2023 at 15:46 | Wall-to-wall | Open on kolektiva.social
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Sascha Wolfer

@RichPuchalsky @dw_innovation Sorry, but comparing DW to RT is really far-fetched.

4 Dec 2023 at 15:54 | Open on fediscience.org
Rich Puchalsky :anarchism:

@sascha_wolfer @dw_innovation

What all governmental "disinformation" projects come down to is the idea that there are good governments whose propaganda is truth, and bad governments whose propaganda is disinformation.

4 Dec 2023 at 16:08 | Open on kolektiva.social
Sascha Wolfer

@RichPuchalsky @dw_innovation I don‘t think it helps to lump together two obviously very different broadcasting houses like RT and DW. Even if you are right (and I think that you are not when describing DW as a governmental disinformation project), these things should be teased apart. Things are not always black and white.

4 Dec 2023 at 16:14 | Open on fediscience.org
Simon Brooke

@sascha_wolfer @RichPuchalsky @dw_innovation both of the above posts have validity. In my opinion, we should be suspicious of all governments, but more convinced of the malign intent of some than of others.

Anyone – and any corporate body – that has power, requires scrutiny.

4 Dec 2023 at 21:14 | Open on mastodon.scot
Rich Puchalsky :anarchism:

@simon_brooke @sascha_wolfer @dw_innovation

Since Russia is currently engaged in an aggressive war against Ukraine, I'm certain that their official propaganda is currently the worst. When the US was engaged in an aggressive war against Iraq, their official propaganda was worst. The purveyors of disinformation services want people to believe that one of these entities is permanently better than another.

"Disinformation", by the way, is the most black-and-white term of all. Rather than saying that every nation produces propaganda, that no propaganda can be trusted, and that all it shades the truth to some degree, it labels some wholly false based on who it comes from.

But we're getting away from this particular case. I find the DW poster's assertion that it can't be surveillance because it is a public event particularly questionable.. It is a very European idea that one can put cameras feeding into facial recognition centers in every public square and that is not surveillance because these are public spaces.

@simon_brooke @sascha_wolfer @dw_innovation

Since Russia is currently engaged in an aggressive war against Ukraine, I'm certain that their official propaganda is currently the worst. When the US was engaged in an aggressive war against Iraq, their official propaganda was worst. The purveyors of disinformation services want people to believe that one of these entities is permanently better than another.

4 Dec 2023 at 21:24 | Open on kolektiva.social
Oliver Schafeld

I'd rather trust DW than some corporate media orgs.

By the way, DW was banned or sanctioned in Russia, Iran, and Turkey.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche

4 Dec 2023 at 16:23 | Open on mastodon.online
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