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If your reply is blaming people for not reading the ToS: donāt be an ass. Companies make them difficult to parse for normal average people. When you purchase something, you expect it to be yours.
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@PictoPirate @PictoPirate @gamingonlinux Oh man, I would absolutely support legislation that required companies to label the button āBuy revocable licenseā instead.
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 @gamingonlinux that's true, but up to a point. The ephemeral nature of these services has been one of the key topics of discussion about DRM, piracy, and user rights for over a decade now. It's not like warnings about it have not been issued wherever this has been possible. Not everybody may have been reached by it, but I wouldn't be surprised if most people have come across such warnings and simply disregarded them for being āextremistā or āparanoidā. Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/743/ @gamingonlinux anybody insisting on the expectation that these services will be āeternalā is simply deluding themselves now.  It's 2023. Saying that people can't be expected to know what they're getting when paying for online content is akin to saying they can't be expected to understand what leasing or financing a car really means for ownership. At least learning this lesson costs a lot less than having your vehicle repossessed.  @gamingonlinux Also, usually when you're expected to read a contract before you sign it, you and/or your lawyers get a say in requesting a change to the contract before you sign and agree to it. You can't do that with a TOS or an EULA, so we're stuck with either never using the service, or "Agreeing" to their terms. Doesn't mean that we actually think it's a good deal if we agree after reading the TOS or EULA.  @AT1ST @gamingonlinux And usually the content is only available from one supplier, so it's not like you can go find another offering better terms... @diffrentcolours @gamingonlinux Right - I'm reminded of Last Week Tonight's episode on Corporate Consolidation regarding Delta Airlines the year they dragged the one passenger off the flight because of overbooking...and how that didn't affect their profit margins that quarter. "That actually does explain their new slogan: 'You want to rollerblade to Houston?'" @diffrentcolours @gamingonlinux It's just that every product has a company that turns their non-monpolistic options on their platform through their monopolistic storefront. PC is sort of the exception, except if you want to play a lot of games...you're going to need to agree to at least one of Microsoft's Windows versions' TOS.  @gamingonlinux While this isnāt uniquely American, is this even legal in jurisdictions with better consumer rights like the EU and Australia? Or are they simply not doing this in those jurisdictions where itās illegal or a gray area?  @gamingonlinux also, we can't just avoid using anything with any terms we are not 100% happy with |
@gamingonlinux they shouldnāt be able to call the button ābuyā if youāre just kinda sorta borrowing it.