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Sharon of the Strange Times

@Viss Geez. I was born in the late-mid 1900s. :yikes:

Fisher #Harris2024

@Viss Mid-late-last-century me, too

It’s good to get old. I love the perspective from here. I want to get even older.

Miriam Jacobs

@Viss OMG. OH MY. I was born in 1960. I’m so last century!

Tony Gallagher

@Viss i read this as 1990’s originally and was like “that’s fine” oh god it’s so much worse. The only way it could of aged me more is if they had said “at the end of the last century”

Randall

@Aerith_ @Viss what if they said the end of last millennium? Would that have been better/worse?

Eric Lawton

@Aerith_

Or “at the end of the last millennium”

@Viss

Gord

@Viss angels and ministers of grace defend us

Viss

@grs time to put the cough syrup down :D

kurtsh

@grs @Viss Don't do it! Cough syrup keeps you young! Ancient Japanese secret! 😁

エラン履恵 • Elán Rie 💉x7

@Viss I'm sure this isn't intentional on your part, but I feel punked by the ALT icon on the original post XD

Viss

@niji_limbo yeah, the 'gif' tag on twitter used to piss me off too cuz it kept getting in the way of text

Oblomov

@Viss @niji_limbo I think it's more the fact that the original post has alt text for accessibility, yours doesn't 8-P

Fisher #Harris2024

@niji_limbo @Viss It’s never been easier to add alt text to a screenshot of a blue sky post which is a screenshot of an email. I’ve been neglecting this step lately, but haven’t gotten called out for it yet

エラン履恵 • Elán Rie 💉x7

@fisherstudio @Viss Oooh, neat! Is that a smart phone screenshot feature or something? 👀

Fisher #Harris2024

@niji_limbo @Viss Yes, I should have probably included that alt text! LOL Thank you iOS 17.1.1 The current MacOS has this feature in the Finder, too

barrkel

@niji_limbo @fisherstudio @Viss Android lets you select text in the app switcher view - long press on text and it OCRs the app view and you can select and copy. On separately saved screenshots Lens can do the same thing, besides the usual like translation and visual search.

Dr. Fortyseven ◣ ◥◣ ◥ 🥃

@Viss Hard to even wrap my head around 2000 to 2023 is literally the same as 1900 to 1923. I mean, yes, it's just simple math. But my god actually _living it_ is unreal.

Don't even get me started at how that would mean I was born in 1876.

**decays into dust**

wendinaokland

@Viss I’ll go with Mid-Century Modern and take a (bentwood plycraft) seat.

AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈

@Viss
Whenever there's a reference to century years like "1900s" or "2000s" there's an immediate question of what the bracket is. The final digit or pair of digits (probably).

Del C :mastodon:

@Viss in fairness to the student, aren't there some topics with cutoffs for sources that may be out of date? but also, i think it's quite possible the student is flexing their youth on the prof.
p.s. i just noticed the professor's username and now i think even more that the student was flexing.

Justin Macleod

@Viss Please could you post alt text so that visually impaired people know what in the image you've used you're agreeing with? Thanks.

skry

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John Penniman • 1h
@historiographos.bsky.social
I will never recover from this student email.

Good afternoon Professor Penniman,
Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources from the late 1900's for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is there a cut off date of publication? See you tomorrow,

Nov 27, 2023 at 1:48 PM

@JustinMac84 @Viss Description: screenshot of message

John Penniman • 1h
@historiographos.bsky.social
I will never recover from this student email.

Good afternoon Professor Penniman,
Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources from the late 1900's for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is there a cut off date of publication? See you tomorrow,

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@Viss

For most scholarly work, 1994 is indeed a bit old. I dimly recall being told to try to keep my citations to within the last ten years.

The point is to make sure your arguments are backed by recent scholarship. But it's not by any means a hard and fast rule. There are many reasons one might cite an older source and, if you use them, you need to cite them like anything else.

The professor who posted this is of course well aware of all of this but I do occasionally hear about odd restrictions on citations. I'm definitely not a fan of such restrictions: We need to be encouraging more literature searching, not less.

@Viss

For most scholarly work, 1994 is indeed a bit old. I dimly recall being told to try to keep my citations to within the last ten years.

The point is to make sure your arguments are backed by recent scholarship. But it's not by any means a hard and fast rule. There are many reasons one might cite an older source and, if you use them, you need to cite them like anything else.

Colin Danby

@Benfell @Viss Ten year rule, ha. I've cited 19th-century work on a number of occasions. I think I once cited Aristotle.

Diane 🕵

@Viss

I regularly see references to species names that cite Linnaeus, 1758.

I suspect if the reference is still relevant cite away.

Mike Dolbow

@Viss I often wonder if people living in the 1920's felt this way.

I bet it wasn't as bad...a *millennium* changeover is a BFD. And I think folks alive in 1023 had other things on their minds.

Bob Tregilus 🐧 📷

@Viss Middle 1900's here. In 1994--the date of that antiquarian research paper the student is asking permission to cite in their report--I was learning to use computers and had just moved from using bulletin board systems to using the NCSA Mosaic browser to surf a newfangled thing called the "internet."

Viss

@elaterite 1994 i was in .. 8th grade i think? 9th?

girl reaction ⭐️🔰🇺🇸🇵🇭

@Viss @elaterite In 1994, I had been using computers for over 12 years, had been on the Internet for 8 years, and was busily founding the first 100% broadband end-user ISP in the US. If I cited works on network design and security from the 1990s, they would have almost no relevance to the current state of the art.

Viss

@gcvsa @elaterite muahahahhah but they dont know that >:D

(in 94 i think i was in 8th grade and i may have gotten my first pc - i think my first modem was 2400 baud)

girl reaction ⭐️🔰🇺🇸🇵🇭

@Viss @elaterite I got my first PC in 8th grade, too, but that was 1981 or 1982.

mercurial idiot

@Viss I thought it was 1800s and read it again... wow... I mean I'm probably their age but PLEASE 1994 is not THAT long ago!

Viss

@writeblankspace 1994 was like . 8th grade for me i think. but this is how i feel now:

Viss

@stoneymonster oh he was there too i guess. crawling back in my coffin now

Btrinen

@Viss High quality inter-generational trolling.

AT-AT Assault :verifiedtrans:

@Viss

That's honestly a good question. Depending on the field, a 30 year old paper can be woefully out of date, and most likely wrong given modern knowledge.

Krišs

@atatassault @Viss it appears that Mr. Penniman is a historian of Christianity (linkedin.com/in/johnpenniman/), so "late 1900's" is most likely just fine in his field.

Clare 🏴

@Viss kids say the darnedest things 😃

J. David Eisenberg

@Viss
#AltText4you

Post from John Penniman:

I will never recover from this student email.

[student writes]
Good afternoon Professor Penniman,

Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources from the late 1900’s for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is there a cut off date of publication?/ See you tomorrow

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@Viss - Feeling old, huh?

Don't worry, they'll learn about popular sources 'Socrates', 'Plato', 'Paul the Apostle', 'Jesus Christ', 'Karl Marx', 'Friedrich Engels', 'Friedrich Hayek', and 'Milton Friedman' eventually. They'll realise that asking about whether they can use ancient sources from 30 years ago is a bit silly.

MJJ Mori

@Viss 🤢 (this emoji response gives away my age band)

girl reaction ⭐️🔰🇺🇸🇵🇭

@Viss Research that old might be of limited value at this point.

Viss

@gcvsa there are people now who exist that have never heard a dialtone and do not know what it is - and the fucking grocery store is playing green day and third eye blind.

linear time is stupid.

girl reaction ⭐️🔰🇺🇸🇵🇭

@Viss grocery stores tend to tailor their background music to the people most likely to spend money, and that’s people in their 40s. When I started hearing “my music” in the supermarket, I knew I was the target market.

Viss

@gcvsa 90s music is now referred to as 'oldies', and the jncos (i still have one pair!) are 'vintage'.

argonaut

@Viss @gcvsa in 1973-1974, a radio presenter reffered to a 1971 disc as 'oldie'...

Jakob Thoböll - R.I.P. Natenom

@gcvsa
depends on the topic and subject. I used Papers from 1970's for my Masters thesis.
@Viss

OCRbot

@Viss
‘ John Penniman -1h
@​historiographos.bskysocial

I will never recover from this student email.

Good afternoon Professor Penniman,

Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources

from the late 1900's for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is
me a cutoff date of publication? See you tomorrow,

Nov 27, 2023 at 1:48 PM

@Viss
‘ John Penniman -1h
@​historiographos.bskysocial

I will never recover from this student email.

Good afternoon Professor Penniman,

Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources

from the late 1900's for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is
me a cutoff date of publication? See you tomorrow,

DELETED

@Viss

1994.

What's your tale at 1994. Where were you at? Where are you now?

I got ten bucks says you're same as me.

Michael Wyman

@Viss did we have paper back then? I thought I remember using cuneiform tablets in grade school.

Viss

@mwyman this was all derived from cave drawings made with feces and blood

GreenSkyOverMe (Monika)

@Viss Image description:
John Penniman @historiographos.bsky.social:
I will never recover from this student email.
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Good afternoon Professor Penniman, Hope you had a great break! I was wondering if it would be acceptable to use sources from the late 1900's for our final paper (I found an interesting paper from 1994). Is there a cut off date of publication? See you tomorrow.
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