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arclight

@ifixcoinops I mean, Brother printers are like a litmus test for enshittification. Compare any Brother printer manufactured over the last decade against those of their competitors, year by year. Brother printers are no worse now than they were 20 years ago while those from HP, etc. are exponentially worse in pretty much every conceivable way.

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Graydon

@arclight @ifixcoinops The Xerox just-a-printer LED printers that have postscript support have remained decent.

I miss the solid ink ones, but my C500 has been well behaved so far.

Pumpkin Melange

@graydon @arclight @ifixcoinops are you talking about the ex-tektronix color phasers?

F4GRX Sébastien

@hyc @secretasianman @graydon @arclight @ifixcoinops we had one at dayjob, I wish I could get it when they changed it. Do we still find consumables for these?

Graydon

@f4grx @hyc @secretasianman @arclight @ifixcoinops Far as I know, yes. Pricey, but still produced. I'm not even sure they've stopped making the printers for business customers.

Michael Kohne

@graydon @f4grx @hyc @secretasianman @arclight @ifixcoinops As far as I can tell, that print technology is no longer made. Ours crapped out about the time Xerox gave up on it, and we no longer needed any of it's advantages, so we went Brother color laser.

Graydon

@mhkohne @f4grx @hyc @secretasianman @arclight @ifixcoinops Well, boo. That one always struck me as generally superior to the lasers.

Michael Kohne

@graydon @f4grx @hyc @secretasianman @arclight @ifixcoinops Depends, I think. The only thing I believe they were actually better at was color matching, and not being able to spew toner everywhere if you screw up. Otherwise, the Brother laser we have now is all around easier to work with (modulo the continuous enshitification of the Windows print architecture)

Pumpkin Melange

@graydon @mhkohne @f4grx @hyc @arclight @ifixcoinops yeah. They still produce the ink but who knows for how long

the vessel of morganna

@hyc @secretasianman @graydon @arclight @ifixcoinops I quite like the print quality from the crayola printers, used to have one in my office.

Graydon

@secretasianman @arclight @ifixcoinops Versalink C500 and C600. Not enough up on the historical machinations to know if they're ex-tektronix.

Michael Miller :blobrdm: 🦆

@arclight @ifixcoinops yep, precisely this. Brother just keeps making printers.

I’ve worked in commercial printing for 30 years, and it pisses me off to no end how amazing the tech is at the high end, compared to how garbage it is at the low end.

Michael Miller :blobrdm: 🦆

@DanielEriksson @arclight @ifixcoinops I have started and stopped this reply 3 times now - and I'm thinking this would make a fairly interesting nerdy blog post. I'd love to dig into to which parts of printing are "scams", and which parts seem-like-scams-but-really-aren't. Most importantly, what to look for in a printer for a work-from-home or consumer environment.

The main difference on the inkjet front is the obvious one - the cost of ink. In very fluffy numbers, commercial customers pay roughly 1% $/vol compared to buying cartridges at office stores or online. This alone changes the game.

But, more importantly, I don't think anyone should own one of sub-$200 inkjet printers. At an engineering level, there's not enough support systems in that box. You solve every problem by replacing the printhead. The TCOP (total cost of print) is outrageous. On the commercial side, there are cleaning/vacuuming/wiping systems, image inspection, adjacent nozzle correction, all sorts of fun stuff. Unless you are printing 5 days a week, try hard to not buy inkjet - the printhead won't stay healthy.

Compare that to the toner world, where for $500 or less, you can buy a printer which is like a full miniature copy of the commercial ones. Toner is environmentally gross (both pollution and power required), but the device works better in home / small office environments.

I've serviced and supported 7-figure commercial systems my whole career, both inkjet and toner. I should write more about it.

@DanielEriksson @arclight @ifixcoinops I have started and stopped this reply 3 times now - and I'm thinking this would make a fairly interesting nerdy blog post. I'd love to dig into to which parts of printing are "scams", and which parts seem-like-scams-but-really-aren't. Most importantly, what to look for in a printer for a work-from-home or consumer environment.

vnangia

@arclight @ifixcoinops This is pretty much it. My wife brought a HP LaserJet P1102w ~2008 and it’s fine, minus occasional banding. My Epson WF-3520 from ~2013 is fine. I’m not sure I would buy their modern counterparts. We also have a honest-to-god amazeballs Pixma Pro printer for printing photos and that is also astonishing. But friends who have bought later versions are pretty unhappy.

AN/CRM-114

@arclight @ifixcoinops HP was first to enshittify due to the 2006 financial crisis. That was the catalyst for “maybe we don’t need to print out every single thing we do” and the HP printer division went from cash cow to money pit. Now high I retest rates are doing that to EVERYTHING

xinit ☕

@flyingsaceur @arclight @ifixcoinops HP's printers were shit WELL before 2006. I'm not even sure they made a decent printer this century.

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