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Boud

@santiagofn @afranke

Are there any plans to package fractal [1] for Mobian/Debian [2] or other GNU/Linux OSes? In other words, contribute to upstream fixes for the dependencies, getting them individually to FOSS packaging standards, and integrating into GNU/Linux.

Flatpak is a problem in terms of security, privacy, licensing, long-term maintenance and its impact on the wider #FOSS ecosystem [3].

[1] gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/fractal

[2] wiki.debian.org/Mobian

[3] news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2

25 Nov 2023 at 16:31 | Wall-to-wall | Open on framapiaf.org
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Alexandre Franke

@boud @santiagofn Flatpak is the only supported platform and we don’t intend to change that.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:34 | Open on mamot.fr
Myles124

@boud @santiagofn @afranke Flatpak makes privacy and security easy for the average user whilst making packaging easy for the developers. How does a package for one distribution have any benefits over this? I don't see any privacy or security benefits a deb package would provide over a flatpak. If anything it would be worse.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:38 | Open on mastodon.online
Boud

@Myles124

See [3].

A .deb format package in itself does not help with privacy/security. However, the full package of files that are accepted through the multiple auto+human checks and packaging standards of the Debian community would help in terms of modularity, transparency and system robustness in checking the privacy and security of all the dependencies (see e.g. [4]). This contributes to the wider FOSS ecosystem, way beyond Debian.

@santiagofn @afranke

[4] tracker.debian.org/pkg/nheko

@Myles124

See [3].

A .deb format package in itself does not help with privacy/security. However, the full package of files that are accepted through the multiple auto+human checks and packaging standards of the Debian community would help in terms of modularity, transparency and system robustness in checking the privacy and security of all the dependencies (see e.g. [4]). This contributes to the wider FOSS ecosystem, way beyond Debian.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:51 | Open on framapiaf.org
Myles124

@boud @santiagofn @afranke You are welcome to package the program however you see fit but quit soliciting developers into taking on a bigger work load.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:54 | Open on mastodon.online
Alexandre Franke

@Myles124
Not quite right. The team would really rather not have downstreams. Technically free to, but pretty please don’t.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:55 | Open on mamot.fr
Boud

@Myles124

I wasn't requesting developers to take on a bigger workload. I commented on the problems with Flatpak, and responded to your comment on Flatpak; short-term easiness is not the same long-term sustainability. A temporary workaround is often a useful step towards a long-term sustainable software package: it's a proof of concept.

Fractal 5 does sound like a good achievement :). If people like it, they can work on the dependencies and eventually the package itself.

@santiagofn @afranke

25 Nov 2023 at 17:08 | Open on framapiaf.org
Alexandre Franke

@Myles124 don’t waste your time, not worth it.

25 Nov 2023 at 16:53 | Open on mamot.fr
Nah :tg_rose:

@boud@framapiaf.org @santiagofn@mastodon.social @afranke@mamot.fr Saying that Flatpak is a problem in terms of security and maintenance, and then linking the 2021 ludocode article that was already disproven and explained several times... you really make it hard to be taken seriously.

I link you one of the responses to the article you shared: https://tesk.page/2022/05/16/response-to-flatpak-is-not-the-future.html

25 Nov 2023 at 17:07 | Open on potato.zone
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