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Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Note that in this incoherent reporting of the "test" that was carried out, there is no description of what the experimental settings were. What was the input? What was the output? (And, as always, what was the training data?) 9/

"Research" in scare quotes, because OpenAI isn't bothering with peer review, just posting things on their website. For a longer take-down of the GPT-4 system card, see Episode 11 of Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000 (w/ @alex ). 10/

buzzsprout.com/2126417/1346087

24 Nov 2023 at 6:02 | Open on dair-community.social
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Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Back to the Reuters article. What's worse than reporting on non-peer-reviewed, poorly written, "research" papers posted to the web? Reporting on vague descriptions of a "discovery" attributed only unnamed sources. 11/

What's their evidence that there's a big breakthrough? Something that has "vast computing resources" can do grade-school level math. You know what else can do grade-school level math? A fucking calculator that can run on a tiny solar cell. Way more reliably, too, undoubtedly. 12/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:03 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Could not verify, eh? And yet decided it was worth reporting on? Hmm... 13/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:03 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her)

"AI" is not "good at writing"—it's designed to produce plausible sounding synthetic text. Writing is an activity that people to do as we work to refine our ideas and share them with others. LLMs don't have ideas. 14/

(And it bears repeating: If their output seems to make sense, it's because we make sense of it.) 15/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:04 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Also, it's kind of hilarious (lolsob) that OpenAI is burning enormous amounts of energy to take machines designed to perform calculations precisely to make them output text that mimics imprecisely the performance of calculations ... and then deciding that *that* is intelligent. 16/

But here is where the reporting really goes off the rails. AGI is not a thing. It doesn't exist. Therefore, it can't do anything, no matter what the AI cultists say. 17/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:05 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her)

And before anyone asks me to prove that AGI doesn't exist: The burden of proof lies with those making the extraorindary claims. "Slightly conscious (if you squint)", "can generalize, learn and comprehend" are extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence, scrutinized by peer review. 18/

24 Nov 2023 at 6:05 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Next stop: both-sides-ing reporting of "existential risk". OpenAI is deep within the TESCERAList cult. It's staffed by people who actually believe they're creating autonomous thinking machines, that humans might merge with one day, live as uploaded simulations, etc. 19/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:06 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

It is an enormous disservice to the public to report on this as if it were a "debate" rather than a disruption of science by billionaires throwing money at the hope of bringing about the speculative fiction stories they grew up reading---and philosophers and others feeling important by dressing these same silly ideas up in fancy words. 20, 21/

24 Nov 2023 at 6:07 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

If TESCREAL as an acronym is unfamiliar, start with this excellent talk by @timnitGebru , reporting on joint work with @xriskology connecting the dots: 22/

youtube.com/watch?v=P7XT4TWLzJ

24 Nov 2023 at 6:08 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

The article ends as it began, by platforming completely unsubstantiated claims (marketing), this time sourced to Altman:

23/
24 Nov 2023 at 6:08 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

To any journalists reading this: It is essential that you bring a heavy dose of skepticism to all claims by people working on "AI". Just because they're using a lot of computer power/understand advanced math/failed up into large amounts of VC money doesn't mean their claims can't and shouldn't be challenged. 24/

24 Nov 2023 at 6:09 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

There are important stories to be reporting in this space. When automated systems are being used, who is being left without recourse to challenge decisions? Whose data is being stolen? Whose labor is being exploited? How is mass surveillance being extended and normalized? What are the impacts to the natural environment and information ecosystem? 25/

24 Nov 2023 at 6:09 | Open on dair-community.social
Emily M. Bender (she/her) replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

Please don't get distracted by the dazzling "existential risk" hype. If you want to be entertained by science fiction, read a good book or head to the cinema. And then please come back to work and focus on the real world harms and hold companies and governments accountable. /fin

24 Nov 2023 at 6:09 | Open on dair-community.social
Neia replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender@dair-community.social Yeeeep. If we're looking for an analogy with fiction, it's less Skynet, more of a digital WALL-E.

24 Nov 2023 at 6:11 | Open on fedi.ikeran.org
Frank Bennett replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender Years ago, I set up LDA and ran some jobs through it in preparation for a law review article that I never got around to completing. At that time there were two other pieces out there that made assertions about law based on its output—factual, conclusive claims, despite the *developer* of the system (David Bliss, IIRC) clearly stating that it only produced statistical correlations based on pattern matching, so you shouldn't do that. The AI hype is through-the-looking-glass deja vu.

24 Nov 2023 at 6:20 | Open on indieweb.social
mav :happy_blob: replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender
Are there any systems left by which to actually hold anyone accountable, though? That's the part of this that terrifies me: tens of billions of dollars and who knows how many human hours of research being done by an unaccountable company for surely negative ends, and humankind has given up on placing any controls on capitalism that actually do anything.

If they do ever invent AGI, there's no possible positive outcome.

24 Nov 2023 at 6:23 | Open on hackers.town
Nicole Parsons replied to mav

@mav @emilymbender

Examine the sources of the funding for this hyped up concept of AI.
Despots. Oil oligarchs. Mentally ill tech lords. Kleptocrats. Seditious GOP donors.

It's the same tax-evading billionaires behind frauds like cryptocurrency, carbon offsets, & NFT's - the "something for nothing" conmen

Mass tech layoffs to undermine content moderation. Those layoffs were ordered by the investors

Buried in the hype, is the intent to launch AI-driven anti-democracy disinformation campaigns

@mav @emilymbender

Examine the sources of the funding for this hyped up concept of AI.
Despots. Oil oligarchs. Mentally ill tech lords. Kleptocrats. Seditious GOP donors.

It's the same tax-evading billionaires behind frauds like cryptocurrency, carbon offsets, & NFT's - the "something for nothing" conmen

24 Nov 2023 at 7:50 | Open on mstdn.social
Nicole Parsons replied to Nicole

@mav @emilymbender

AI is replacing "algorithmic amplification" as the plausible deniability excuse for the 2024 election cycle.

Investors in AI:
Founders Elon Musk, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever, John Schulman, Sam Altman, Wojciech Zaremba
crunchbase.com/organization/op
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI

Reminder: JPMorganChase orchestrated the loans for Musk's purchase of Twitter.

None of these people want democracy to survive. Their oil investors certainly don't.
Lawrence Summers
Peter Thiel
Infosys

@mav @emilymbender

AI is replacing "algorithmic amplification" as the plausible deniability excuse for the 2024 election cycle.

Investors in AI:
Founders Elon Musk, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever, John Schulman, Sam Altman, Wojciech Zaremba
crunchbase.com/organization/op
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI

24 Nov 2023 at 8:01 | Open on mstdn.social
Heskie replied to mav

@mav @emilymbender
I have mentioned this before, but it is relevant to repeat here, the words of AC Grayling
"Anything that CAN be done WILL be done if it brings advantage or profit to those who can do it." and
"What CAN be done will NOT be done if it brings costs, economic or otherwise, to those who can stop it"
It is much more (currently) relevant to autonomous weapons systems. More: thearticle.com/graylings-law

24 Nov 2023 at 8:10 | Open on mstdn.social
Dieu replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender Greg Bear may be is a nice read for people into doom and simulated humans.

24 Nov 2023 at 6:56 | Open on hespere.de
Matthew Exon replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)
@emilymbender The most heartening thing I saw recently was mention of an internal poll of OpenAI employees as to when AGI will be achieved, and the median answer was "15 years". "In 15 years" is a term of art in AI research meaning "approximately never and a half". It suggests the people actually building the tools have their heads screwed on moderately securely.
24 Nov 2023 at 7:45 | Open on friendica.exon.name
Mina replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender

All this ai soap opera is tech bro PR, IMO.

Besides: I don't fear ai. I fear capitalists and governments who intend to put human decisions in inhuman(e) hands.

24 Nov 2023 at 8:14 | Open on berlin.social
Emma Jezebel Cat Lady Byrne replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender I'm off to give a talk at a business event today where I'll be holding this line. Sometimes I feel like Cassandra...

Thank you for keeping on keeping on in the face of journalists, politicians and business people losing their minds over imaginary threats while the voices of those suffering now are ignored

24 Nov 2023 at 6:43 | Open on mendeddrum.org
Sophie Schmieg replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender imagine being trained on the near totality of humanity's knowledge, and struggling to perform grade school mathematics.

We build accidental calculators all the time, if anything it's remarkable how much this approach struggles with being one.

24 Nov 2023 at 7:12 | Open on infosec.exchange
Chupacabra 78704 replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)
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@emilymbender A wonderful thread. This post especially resonates today. Thank you!

24 Nov 2023 at 6:11 | Open on hypercube.masto.host
François Galea replied to Emily M. Bender (she/her)

@emilymbender There could be a problem with peer review IMO. In the "AI" research field, you can find researchers with the AI hype bias who can positively review those extraordinary claims even without strong evidence.
Or am I being too pessimistic ?

24 Nov 2023 at 7:02 | Open on pouet.chapril.org
Nat

@emilymbender “generalize, learn, and comprehend” is, hilariously, SO CLOSE to the same phrasing used in the 1958 breathless reporting on the invention of the perceptron in the New York Times article entitled “electronic brain teaches itself”. incredible that these guys’ predecessors talked about the state of the art at that time the same way.

nytimes.com/1958/07/13/archive

24 Nov 2023 at 7:19 | Open on tech.lgbt
Chupacabra 78704

@emilymbender There is no AI. only mimicing humans dumbass.

24 Nov 2023 at 7:36 | Open on austintexas.social
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@emilymbender I'm not a technical person, but I do work in marketing. I can smell dark marketing techniques a mile away, and the whole "AI" realm reeks of it from halfway around the world.

I made an "AI" write a position paper on the value of Quantum Chromodynamics in marketing: gamerplus.org/notes/9icnhgaalz

I made an "AI" generate a picture with very specific instructions that it completely failed to follow (attached, with prompt).

It is trivial to expose these "AIs" for what they really are.

@emilymbender I'm not a technical person, but I do work in marketing. I can smell dark marketing techniques a mile away, and the whole "AI" realm reeks of it from halfway around the world.

I made an "AI" write a position paper on the value of Quantum Chromodynamics in marketing: gamerplus.org/notes/9icnhgaalz
24 Nov 2023 at 8:18 | Open on mastodon.online
Drew Mochak

@emilymbender LOL they didn't even see the letter. This whole thing is some of the shoddiest reporting I've seen in a while.

24 Nov 2023 at 7:30 | Open on freeradical.zone
Sara

@emilymbender I saw this article yesterday and thought, well hell, I can perform mathematical operations at a grade school level and the only resources I require to do so are sandwiches and coffee and maybe a pencil

24 Nov 2023 at 6:13 | Open on ecoevo.social
Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

@emilymbender
Thank you for this excellent thread!

This style of reporting, breathlessly mimicking the words of the People That (should) Know, always strikes me as fundamentally incurious. LLMs are complex-seeming beasts, ponderous and burdensome, but peeling away the artifice -- and this is something journalists need to relearn how to do, it seems! -- reveals a tool which doesn't even do grade-school math, it just pattern-matches and says, 'this is probably the answer for which you're looking' with no logic involved.

Which, I suppose, is in some small ways not dissimilar to a journalist who gets fed garbage, puts up a puff piece about Sam Altman's 'triumphant return', and expects that it's what the readers and financiers are looking for. No logic or proof necessary, or for that matter actual reporting.

@emilymbender
Thank you for this excellent thread!

This style of reporting, breathlessly mimicking the words of the People That (should) Know, always strikes me as fundamentally incurious. LLMs are complex-seeming beasts, ponderous and burdensome, but peeling away the artifice -- and this is something journalists need to relearn how to do, it seems! -- reveals a tool which doesn't even do grade-school math, it just pattern-matches and says, 'this is probably the answer for which you're looking' with...

24 Nov 2023 at 6:29 | Open on chaosfem.tw
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