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Andrew Tropin

gandi changed their free mail service (advertised as a free addition to your domain) to paid one and it cost 4EUR/month per mailbox, there is also a yearly option, which cost 48EUR/year 😄

The service isn't bad, but I wouldn't say it's great in some way either.

Looking for place to migrate. migadu.com, mailbox.org or something else:
european-alternatives.eu/categ

My notes on the topic:
github.com/abcdw/notes/blob/44

#email #mail #europeanunion #europe #privacy #ethics

21 Nov 2023 at 9:31 | Open on fosstodon.org
20 comments
Fidel Ramos

@abcdw I use Protonmail. I have also heard good things about Tutanota and Fastmail.

At least Protonmail has Black Friday offers that you can benefit from.

21 Nov 2023 at 9:45 | Open on mastodon.social
Andrew Tropin

@fidel They both (protonmail and tutanota) doesn't support IMAP and other standard email tools, which is kinda sad.

21 Nov 2023 at 9:56 | Open on fosstodon.org
Fidel Ramos

@abcdw Protonmail supports IMAP through their bridge: proton.me/mail/bridge

They need this extra piece of software because of their PGP zero-access encryption.

21 Nov 2023 at 16:52 | Open on mastodon.social
Andrew Tropin

@fidel Yes, I briefly read about it, but it doesn't make much sense, I have my own gpg key and can encrypt it whenever I need and want.

Also, I had a conversation with a proton mail user and I recieved email from them encrypted, however I couldn't reply back with encryption, because it seems proton doesn't expose pgp public key via WKD (it could be related to additional setup not done on custom domain).

21 Nov 2023 at 17:26 | Open on fosstodon.org
Fidel Ramos

@abcdw Not that you want to, but Protonmail supports using your own PGP private keys: proton.me/support/importing-op

Protonmail aims to make encrypted email easy, but that means that you are probably not their target audience.

21 Nov 2023 at 23:31 | Open on mastodon.social
dgr

@abcdw

This is why I send the public key as a attachment in every mail. This way you just import it.

On account.proton.me/u/0/mail/enc you can also import keys for advanced users like you.

Proton mail doesn't want to be able to read your mails so your browser needs to unlock your mailbox. IMAP would require them to be able to read your mailbox so they provide you with the bridge so you can install IMAP on a host YOU trust.

@fidel

23 Nov 2023 at 0:40 | Open on toot.li
Andrew Tropin

@dgr @fidel I understand why the proton bridge is needed for imap access to proton, but I don't think it's right architectural decision. migadu's approach looks more apropriate to me:
migadu.com/procon/#not-encrypt

23 Nov 2023 at 5:50 | Open on fosstodon.org
dgr

@abcdw @fidel Not quite understand there approach from the link.
But I disagree on some of the points. Encryption on rest means it's a legal hurdle as much as a technological one and there hinting at the Hollywood scenario is stupid as IMHO the worries are nosy admins and greedy police states. I don't think I care about spam and viruses for encrypted mails. Also I could use the bridge to solve the search issue.

23 Nov 2023 at 8:51 | Open on toot.li
Andrew Tropin

@dgr @fidel The approach is to stick to vanilla emails without forced encryption and custom gui apps to access your emails via standard protocols.

If you want encryption, encrypt it with your usual pgp tool.

Personally, I don't see how proton and similiar services improve something, but I clearly see how they make it harder to use standard tools.

23 Nov 2023 at 12:34 | Open on fosstodon.org
dgr

@abcdw for me it's gmail with a added price that ensures, that I'm the customer and not the product. Also it makes it easy for me to handle encrypted email without access to my setup (at work).
@fidel

27 Nov 2023 at 20:43 | Open on toot.li
otterz

@abcdw I migrated to inbox.eu for the same reason. It's not perfect, but they support SMPT/IMAP clients and it's not that expensive.

21 Nov 2023 at 10:24 | Open on hachyderm.io
jack

@abcdw I need to migrate this week, too. I’ve been looking at purelymail.com/

21 Nov 2023 at 11:29 | Open on masto.ai
EMDiscussions

@abcdw Perhaps consider Runbox? Norway based email. Sign up and pay within 24 hours and get
2 years for the price of 1
on the Micro, Mini, Medium, and Max plans.

#email #Runbox

21 Nov 2023 at 14:05 | Open on mastodon.social
Chad Nelson :guix:

@abcdw been using mailbox.org for a few years now and have been really happy with it. They offer a nice suite of features and have been reliable.

21 Nov 2023 at 14:59 | Open on fosstodon.org
Andrew Tropin

@superkamiguru Yep, this is one of the option, I'm considering.

21 Nov 2023 at 17:11 | Open on fosstodon.org
Sandro Santilli

@abcdw I took the chance to directly manage my email , which is a great way to feel the meaning of the Internet.

Be your own host 😉

#SelfHosting

21 Nov 2023 at 15:33 | Open on floss.social
Andrew Tropin

@strk I already have a lot of things to manage and fun with selfhosted mail server is not what I'm looking for at the moment. I guess it's better to give this job to people, who do it professionally ;)

21 Nov 2023 at 17:11 | Open on fosstodon.org
dgr

@abcdw I use Proton Mail and I tried Tutanota. I like Proton Mail enough to pay for the Ultimate CHF 190 per 24 months. I think it was a black Friday/cyber Monday deal 😉

Here is a referral link pr.tn/ref/RYN42RYGBP5G . You will get a free month of mail plus and I will get $5 or $15 if you take a 1 or 12 month subscription.

22 Nov 2023 at 12:47 | Open on toot.li
fnurkla

@abcdw I've used migadu for a couple of years now and been satisfied with the service they provide.

22 Nov 2023 at 15:47 | Open on emacs.ch
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