@tante Firefox became absolute shit years ago, when...

@tante Firefox became absolute shit years ago, when it killed like 85% of the ad-ons I was using - and it has been going downhill ever since. I curse it every time I have to use the Tor browser, which is based on it. They even managed to fuck up Thunderbird, which was pretty much the only usable e-mail client left.

Chrome is crap and I don't use it but Firefox is so bad that I can't use it. Sadly, there isn't much of a choice - either Firefox, or a Chromium-based browser (and don't let me get started on that Safari crap).

I used to use Opera but my installation of it managed to get itself fucked up somehow, so half the sites are now unusable. Thus, I've been reluctantly switching to Brave lately. Of course, both are Chromium-based and there is much to dislike about either of them but at least they aren't unusable crap like Firefox.

Oh, and I absolutely don't give a fuck about who a company is run by - only what its product does and how usable it is.

Like 17 Nov 2023 at 10:31 | Wall-to-wall | Open on infosec.exchange

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Ockham

@bontchev @tante Actually, giving a fuck about who a company is run by is sometime the only way to know or guess how it's product *will be*, which is a massive help to choose what product to pick, then to stick with, instead of bouncing from different products to others over the years...

17 Nov 2023 at 11:28 | Open on piaille.fr

VessOnSecurity

@Ockham @tante I'd rather use a usable product *now* because it is usable, as opposed to some unusable crap, rather than force myself to the unusable crap because of somebody's speculation what the future of the product might be based on his opinion of those making it.

17 Nov 2023 at 12:04 | Open on infosec.exchange

flere-imsaho

@bontchev firefox is perfectly usable right now (and implements the same extension model as chromium, as you are well aware), but no-one forces you to use firefox; if you want a nice chromium-based browser, vivaldi is just there.

(saying “i don't care if a service provider is a flaming gobshite who thinks a group of people is subhuman” is a valuable data point, and thank you for doing us that service too.)

@Ockham @tante

17 Nov 2023 at 12:19 | Open on circumstances.run

Ockham

@bontchev @tante "Unusable" and "not 100% compliance with 100% of my needs" are not the same. Switching from a produt to another might take some time, especially concerning browsers ecosystems with many integrated account features. And it's not "knowledge free", for some, like older ones, not switching for a long time is indeed really valuable. The "walled garden" actors even made this one of the pillars of their ecosystems.

17 Nov 2023 at 12:27 | Open on piaille.fr