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tante

I fully switched to Firefox a few months ago when Google kept on pushing their "Manifest V3" Chrome policy, now that they continue to push it and remove V2 (and with it meaningful adblockers) from Chrome in 2024 maybe you want to start migrating as well?

developer.chrome.com/en/blog/r

Don't go to Brave btw. It's a shit company that keeps doing shady stuff and is run by a homophobe. There are so many browsers, just pick one. (Whether other Chromium-based browsers will keep an interface for effective customization for users around is for you to research. Just use Firefox TBH).

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Mohs

@tante I kind of feel reminded to the time when Netscape was already dying and firefox did not yet exist in the public. It's the shithole of browser-choices, and here we are again…

Maxi 10x πŸ’‰

@mohs No, we aren't. Because Firefox is an excellent browser.

Mohs

@frumble I'm using it too, but mozilla is trying to make it unneccessary bad instead of making it even better.

iamdtms

@tante Except Chromium based Brave browser.

Mazzle

@tante Plus Brave once pushing that Crypto shit on everyone without consent and having private investors are two major red flags.

Mozilla has problems, but not of those kind

Domhuggur

@Mazzle @tante Can hoy explain more that of "pushing that Crypto shit on everyone without consent" please? And Mozilla has not private investors?

Mazzle

@domhuggur @tante Mozilla Foundation is Non-Profit unlike Brave Software Inc which has investors (including Pether Thiel) and Brave has their own Crypto Tokens and somehow uses it to pay others and in 2020 inserted referral codes as default.

Plus they are based on Chromium aswell

JanPieter

@Mazzle @domhuggur @tante Mozilla heavily depends on Google's money. If I remember correctly Google pays Mozilla around $500M to be its default search engine πŸ€”.

Mazzle

@janpieter @domhuggur @tante Sure, but that is still different than being an investor into a private company. And you can't invest into a non-profit org, afaik.

Plus people in this system still somehow need money to live

JanPieter

@Mazzle @domhuggur @tante Taking 'dirty Google money', depending on it, is not a viable model ultimately imo. I want Google to die asap. Which would mean no more money for Mozilla 😏.

Domhuggur

@Mazzle @janpieter @tante So... The money still moving the world (in better words, the people). In all the world exist a lot of nonprofit organisations that the reason of their existence is to evade taxes from large fortunes

JanPieter

@Mazzle @domhuggur @tante If you're on MacOS (I'm not), you can try the Orion browser. Funded by users. Zero telemetry. kagi.com/orion/faq.html#busine

tante

@janpieter @Mazzle @domhuggur Yeah, Mozilla needs more and diverse funding. It's still better than Thiel funded for profit by a few miles.
Saying "B isn't perfect" is not a great counter to "A is a garbage fire".

JanPieter

@tante @Mazzle @domhuggur I don't know if there's such a fundamental difference between accepting Thiel's money or Google's money πŸ€” .
Personally I try to pay for my usage of online products and services. The only way to escape business models depending on ads and surveillance.

Domhuggur

@janpieter @tante @Mazzle I live un Spain. The salary are so low than if I've to pay for all online services, I'll have not money for eat food

Emelia πŸ‘ΈπŸ»

@tante I migrated to firefox too this year, very happy with that decision overall.

Christian Lauf

@tante Switched to Firefox 2-3 months ago, when Google announced they would start to analyze my search and browsing(?) history etc. for Ads. Felt a bit too intrusive..

And I thought they stopped that V3 stuff?
oh, no wait! That was this WebDRM stupidity..

Yeah.. "Don't be evil." *lol*

Philipp :geeko: :natenom:

@tante
πŸ€” "There are so many browsers, just pick one." -- Actually, there are pretty few Browsers that are not "Chromium with some extensions on the interface" or pretty small projects (kudos to Midori/Gnome-Web/Falkon teams, you're great!). TBH the only Browser there is is @mozilla #Firefox ...

rugk

@derfopps @tante @mozilla FYI GNOME Web is based on WebKit aka Safari's engine. #epiphany

Philipp :geeko: :natenom:

@rugk That's right; even though WebKit itself is derived from KDE KHTML. And Chromium's rendering engine is yet another fork of it.

Thorsten Rochelmeyer

@tante I'm not that deep into that topic, but firefox with Ad-Blocking and tracking blocked seems to break almost any page that uses some google stuff in the background - which does not leave many unaffected. It's a complete mess, and we need to destroy google. It's evil.

CryptGoat

@thorsten4future What is your configuration breaking all those sites? @tante

Rainer Zufall

@cryptgoat Yeah, completely baffles me. I've been using Firefox with ad blockers and tracking blockers for years. Had only issues with less then 10 webpages. @thorsten4future @tante

guetto πŸ§‘β€πŸ’» πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

@tante

I am using #Duckduckgo and, despite a beta, does it’s basic job with protection and simplicity. Only for Mac OS and Windows.

#Firefox for more complex things

JanPieter

@mu @guetto @tante DuckDuckGo is pretty terrible imo, and still depends on Google iirc. I switched to Kagi.com a couple of months back to escape the ad/tracking based business model. Much better (fundamentally) πŸ‘.

millennial falcon

@tante i switched to firefox last year, it is so much better. gotta re-enter all my passwords again but fuck it. worth it

Robert Clark

@falcennial @tante I’m sure you can export and import, you’ll just have to use a computer support.mozilla.org/en-US/ques

VessOnSecurity

@tante Firefox became absolute shit years ago, when it killed like 85% of the ad-ons I was using - and it has been going downhill ever since. I curse it every time I have to use the Tor browser, which is based on it. They even managed to fuck up Thunderbird, which was pretty much the only usable e-mail client left.

Chrome is crap and I don't use it but Firefox is so bad that I can't use it. Sadly, there isn't much of a choice - either Firefox, or a Chromium-based browser (and don't let me get started on that Safari crap).

I used to use Opera but my installation of it managed to get itself fucked up somehow, so half the sites are now unusable. Thus, I've been reluctantly switching to Brave lately. Of course, both are Chromium-based and there is much to dislike about either of them but at least they aren't unusable crap like Firefox.

Oh, and I absolutely don't give a fuck about who a company is run by - only what its product does and how usable it is.

@tante Firefox became absolute shit years ago, when it killed like 85% of the ad-ons I was using - and it has been going downhill ever since. I curse it every time I have to use the Tor browser, which is based on it. They even managed to fuck up Thunderbird, which was pretty much the only usable e-mail client left.

Ockham

@bontchev @tante Actually, giving a fuck about who a company is run by is sometime the only way to know or guess how it's product *will be*, which is a massive help to choose what product to pick, then to stick with, instead of bouncing from different products to others over the years...

VessOnSecurity

@Ockham @tante I'd rather use a usable product *now* because it is usable, as opposed to some unusable crap, rather than force myself to the unusable crap because of somebody's speculation what the future of the product might be based on his opinion of those making it.

flere-imsaho

@bontchev firefox is perfectly usable right now (and implements the same extension model as chromium, as you are well aware), but no-one forces you to use firefox; if you want a nice chromium-based browser, vivaldi is just there.

(saying β€œi don't care if a service provider is a flaming gobshite who thinks a group of people is subhuman” is a valuable data point, and thank you for doing us that service too.)

@Ockham @tante

Ockham

@bontchev @tante "Unusable" and "not 100% compliance with 100% of my needs" are not the same. Switching from a produt to another might take some time, especially concerning browsers ecosystems with many integrated account features. And it's not "knowledge free", for some, like older ones, not switching for a long time is indeed really valuable. The "walled garden" actors even made this one of the pillars of their ecosystems.

Barthol

@tante I use Librewolf (Firefox fork) and Cromite (Chromium fork based on Bromite), both with privacy settings and tools baked in. I keep a regular browser like Edge around if these two absolutely break something I'm trying to do.

Condalmo.

@tante I read on EFF that Firefox is also adopting V3. Doesn't that mean no uBlock on Firefox?

tante

@condalmo The question is whether the V3 implementation Firefox builds limits ad blockers as much as chrome will

Condalmo.

@tante Ah, ok. I didn't know that it even allowed for the option of letting extensions work depending on how they go about the V3 implementation.

Has Firefox weighed in? @mozilla @moznews #firefox #FirefoxTips

MegatronicThronBanks

@tante Brave is a horrid little browser.

But therein lies an issue.

Nobody can write a browser any more. At least not from scratch. It's just too big a job.

ManniCalavera

@tante When I have to use Chrome(ium) for compatibility, I use Ungoogled Chromium, which aims to delete the privacy breaches. Please keep in mind that I am no expert on "V3" or browser privacy, and therefore cannot say if the project is able to handle that in a meaningful way.

Karsten Eger

@tante
I still don't get why so many people are/were using chrome in the first place.

I myself am using firefox for ages and I love me my awesomebar that's using my chronic to search and not primarily the web. Fuck this

WalesToot

@tante dude, where did you get the info on brave’s shady practices and its founder?

Mario Angst

@tante just wanted to mention Vivaldi @Vivaldi in the "so many browsers, just pick one" category, I've been very happy.

Domhuggur

@tante Please, tell me more about Brave, I didn't heard nothing about it

Ockham

@tante I would add that, since you are making the effort of switching, choose something else *not* chromium based. It helps well the web ecosystem to lower the impact Google has on standardisation.

DELETED

@tante orrrrrr you can use Brave or other browsers with built-in blockers

Hector Sanchez

@tante I wish FF had native vertical tabs and could "install" websites (PWA?). Then it would be the one I would recommend the most.

(No, I am not looking for recommendations on FF plugins for tabs)

Peter Jakobs β›΅

@tante that's one thing I like about Google: every few months, they make you re-think if it's really such a good idea to use a browser that is owned and payed for by forcing adverts in your face through just that browser.

Rick

@tante what other browsers work with vs code to allow stepping through code?

Harry Wood

@tante I'm a happy firefox user for the past few years. We're a bit of minority though hey? I went back to it actually. My impression was that about 10 years ago firefox was becoming increasingly CPU/memory hogging but these days it seems to be a lot better.

Robert Clark

@harry_wood @tante Considering everything on iOS is actually safari then FF being in third kinda makes sense. I would never use safari on desktop but I’m pretty much stuck on it on mobile.

Fireseed of Chucky

@tante I started using the fox of fire again a few months ago after years of using Chromium stuff, and I'll say it's good to be back home.

Hubert Figuière

@tante most Chrome derivative said they would keep MV2 because of the cost. Including Microsoft.

George Laskowsky

@tante Not sure when people migrated to Chrome or why... from IE I went to firefox and never switched again. It does everything I need it to and installing DuckDG + blockers just makes it better.

Ban El Al from our skies

@tante I added AVG secure browser to Chrome and I have no problems

Daniel Gultsch

@tante I fully switched to Firefox in 2003 when it was called Firebird.

stf

@tante to all those that say no other engine exists, or is impossible to write, have a look at #servo which just got a grant by #ngi0 so there is active work to write a new engine, very much looking forward to it!

dazfuller :rickwhoah:

@tante I switched to Firefox back when it reached version 0.3 and loved it since. When I need a chromium browser (because some people still don’t test for Firefox) I’m using Vivaldi.

I’m sure people will have issue with those choices, but neither of them are the shit show which is Google

Dale, The Cornflower

@tante As a former techie, I latched onto Firefox fifteen years ago and never looked back.

It also says something about Firefox when TOR uses it as the base for its browser.

jexner

@tante did it three weeks ago, can recommend. #Firefox

AutisticMumTo3 She/her 🌈

@tante
Already don't use Chrome. Currently using Firefox Nightly.

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