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coupland

@i0null @walter4096 @velinion @oliverherold @porru The kind of prescient risks we should be talking about wrt AI are things like job displacement and wealth disparity. AI will create trillions in wealth how do we prevent those trillions from going to, like 2 people. But that's an economic & ethics discussion, it really has nothing to do with AI itself.

Instead we're distracted by "how do I get paid for every ChatGPT search" or "AI=evil" because it drives "likes" or "ZOMG! Extinction event!"

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walter4096

@coupland @i0null @velinion @oliverherold @porru

yeah this is why I back opensourced AI. I'm resisting using GPT and giving mindshare to the less capable LLaMa's that you can run locally.

people kind of sleepwalk into this centralization of power by becoming *too* dependent on cloud services. the good outcome is where we all keep buying powerful PC's and do as much locally as possible

you could be paying for a big tech service (->disparity) or it could be saving you money (lift all boats)

coupland

@walter4096 @i0null @velinion @oliverherold @porru

> people kind of sleepwalk into this centralization of power by becoming *too* dependent on cloud services

Just like how we've sleep-walked into surveillance capitalism and climate crisis. Why tackle tough issues when we can be lulled to sleep by shiny toys?

Really appreciate all the perspectives, great discussion.

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@coupland @walter4096 @velinion @oliverherold @porru

Exactly thats what I was refereing to. Accellerationism is going to exacerbate inequality. That trillions in wealth isn't just created, it's the potential to siphon it from other parts of the economy (mainly labour) and one of the problems is it's going to be a slow burn.

As in rather then AI strait up replacing people, it will simply slow new hires. And how can an economy address that without some kind of global body? A global body could also be a gift to the top AI firms that are able to lobby for regulatory capture.

@coupland @walter4096 @velinion @oliverherold @porru

Exactly thats what I was refereing to. Accellerationism is going to exacerbate inequality. That trillions in wealth isn't just created, it's the potential to siphon it from other parts of the economy (mainly labour) and one of the problems is it's going to be a slow burn.

walter4096

@i0null @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

yeah regulatory capture is exactly my fear.

I'm just a lone tinkerer at the minute - I see huge potential being unlocked with these opensourced models , and a bunch of people arguing they should be shut down :/

I've been pro-tech all my life ever since my first 8bit machine. I've always seen it as an individual enabler, and without being 'left or right wing', opensource is very inline with that.

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@walter4096 @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

Yeah it's such a shame that a technology with such emancipatory potential is more likely to hand greater power to the biggest players.

Many people say technology is neutral but the application of it certainly isn't.

I’ve been fairly surprized by Meta's commitment to open source but after that whole Cambridge Analytica scandal IMHO they're going to need to do a whole lot more to regain some reputation.

walter4096

@i0null @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

it's great how this emerged as a balancing mechanism

meta, google, microsoft,apple all saw what OpenAI were doing, and panicked.

MS bought OpenAI to stop them growing as the next tech giant(ie conversational interface)

Meta then opensourced their own (inferior) LLMs ("ok, we dont think we can get to 1st place, lets at least empower opensource community to stop Microsoft dominating completely")

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