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evacide

If you're mad at EFF for making it possible to use Chrome with less tracking instead of yelling at people to use a different browser, then I assume you have never heard of harm reduction. Giving people digital privacy and security advice means meeting people where they're at. Otherwise, you're just running your mouth to make yourself feel smart.

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Nate Bartram

@evacide But how dare anyone do anything differently than me? My way is the only way! What do you mean they have different threat models, values, concerns, or priorities? Heresy!

(/s in case that's not obvious.)

oBoo!rosaur

@evacide these critiques surprise me. I didn't know about this announcement. When I looked it up, I found a thoughtful article that includes the paragraph:

"Other browsers, like Firefox and Safari, baked in privacy protections from third-party cookies in 2019 and 2020, respectively. Neither of those browsers has anything like Privacy Sandbox, which makes them better options if you'd prefer more privacy."

They didn't even omit or downplay a recommendation to use a different browser!

Jonathan Lamothe
@evacide Clearly, the only acceptable solution is to encase your devices in concrete and dump them in the bottom of the ocean, otherwise it's your own damn fault. 🙃
$8Troll

@evacide

... just running your mouth to make yourself feel <s>smart</s>superior.

justpeachy

@evacide hi! What is EFF? I have to use chrome for schoolwork & would love to have my privacy back!!

Jonathan Lamothe

@justpeachy In case your question doesn't get seen, the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) is an organization that fights for and educates people about digital privacy issues.

More info is available on their web site: www.eff.org/

lupus_blackfur

@evacide

Hell, yes!!

Would that I had more than just one boost to give...

meta physical deflationist

@evacide and go back to yelling about eff supporting nazis?

EpiphanicSynchronicity

@evacide They’re extensions for Chromium browsers, not just Chrome. Some people need to use Chrome extensions, and I appreciate that EFF’s extensions work on Chromium browsers like #Vivaldi and #Brave.

Jean-Baptiste "JBQ" Quéru

@evacide See also people complaining that electric cars don't solve all the problems caused by cars.

Or, on a personal note, that I should replace flying with taking a train... on a transoceanic route.

C.Suthorn :prn:

@jbqueru @evacide

The transatlantic railway tunnel was created in 1915.

The Atlantropa project allows you to walk between Europe and Africa (dams around Venice because of the canals).

imdb.com/title/tt0136578

Flashy7890

@evacide when the world didn’t switch to OpenBSD after the Snowden disclosures, I lost all hope /s

Ben From KC

@evacide

Sounds like a debate I've heard about a different topic. It's almost like giving people help and education on a thing is a better idea than just telling them to never use it. Shocking.

novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@benfromkc @evacide except using a particular browser program isn't a natural, normal, and basically inevitable part of human experience for most people that is one of the basic core needs most people have, and so learning how to do it safely makes more sense than just saying not to do it, like with sex. Using Google Chrome is more like going out with an abusive partner. Sure, some people need to for material reasons and we should help them develop coping mechanisms, but everyone who can stop should.

Bob

@evacide ah a classic question: idealism versus practical harm reduction.

It's like the people who argue against giving heroin addicts access to safe needles.

lapt0r

@BobClinton @evacide technology is full of these people - the Redmond/Bellevue area is allergic to practical harm reduction

Jeremy List

@evacide I do wish there were a greater variety of fully usable web browsers but I have no inclination to yell at anyone about how they should switch to WebPositive.

JacobRPG+ 🫘

@evacide this applies to so many things beyond chrome v. Firefox.

AndrewFelix 🐀 🇵🇸

@jaykass @evacide I heard this doozy the other day: Unions are just a means to make capitalism more appealing

Brett Glass - WY7BG

@evacide We can't trust EFF to do anything that restricts Google's surveillance capitalism. EFF depends too much on the lobbying fees ("contributions" and "cy pres" money) it gets from Google.

Molytov :donor:

@evacide If you're not using a librebooted thinkpad running Guix and using GNU Icecat and selfhosting your email, you obviously don't give a shit about privacy whatsoever and should just give up. That is the only way to achieve privacy and you're a glowie if you disagree!

fool

@evacide Or you can label them as self-centred inconsiderate tech-bros who lacks basic communication skills.

IoT is the grey goo

@evacide EFF should be advising their followers to step out of the box that makes them the product. "Harm reduction" my ass.

I am no longer a follower, or a paying member. What I'm seeing lately is both moral and technical decline.

PS - Its hard to see an impact from EFF's fractional "harm reduction" when Google just shoved Chrome users into a new surveillance mode because too many were opting out of the old mode with blockers like uBlock Origin. If your workaround becomes popular, then #Google will react again with yet another scheme. That math won't add up. It is not reasonable to assume that Google is anything less than hostile to privacy at this point, but the EFF's behavior has been mollifying. #chrome

Doubtless your defenders here would dismiss all of this as some kind of FOSS purist pedantry, but it should concern you that their excuses sound like the old Internet Explorer hype of yore. With followers like that, something has gone wrong.

@evacide EFF should be advising their followers to step out of the box that makes them the product. "Harm reduction" my ass.

I am no longer a follower, or a paying member. What I'm seeing lately is both moral and technical decline.

PS - Its hard to see an impact from EFF's fractional "harm reduction" when Google just shoved Chrome users into a new surveillance mode because too many were opting out of the old mode with blockers like uBlock Origin. If your workaround becomes popular, then #Google will...

Ciarán McNally

@evacide Although I can somewhat agree with this, I don't agree with meeting violent Fascists halfway on KF and not doing a harm reduction there by I dunno, not backing them up.

/ˈdeɪvɪd/

@evacide 100%. Also, thank you for posting this! It’s the reason I don’t use Chrome. I’m going to give it another go. 🙂

cmeier

@evacide > If you use Chrome, you can disable this feature through a series of three confusing settings.

A more complete story would also have posted links to alternative browsers. It can't be any harder to install FF than it is to work through "a series of three confusing settings" to disable the privacy sandbox "feature" in Chrome.

eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/how-

Andreas K

@evacide Yes, by that standard, the abolishment movement probably should have handed out leaflets how to deal better being whipped than running their mouth arguing for freeing the slaves to make themselves feel smart.

Especially as Google seems to have absolutely no qualm to take away what little control you have of your browsing experience. Notice how Manifest V3, the web browser attestation thing (that is already in the chromium source code), …

Kieran McGuire

@yacc143 this is an offensive comparison to make

Dr James J Teeth

@evacide

This advice applies to so many other interactions in life.

Miles Goodhew

@evacide "You can use Chrome with less tracking?!..."
[/me follows the bouncing ball...]
"oh... I already turned all that gunk off already."
(for clarity: I only use Chrome/Edge when a site fails on all my cookie/blocker stuff)

Alexander Baez Ubeira

@evacide also some people are forced by work or circumstance to use it, mitigation is perfectly valid ❤️

Nantucket E-Books

@evacide There are advocacy groups that create converts, and others that hunt heretics.

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