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Brett Edmond Carlock

@SwiftOnSecurity
The absolute misery and struggles I had teaching basic file management to students back even in like 2015 who had no idea that a file had to exist somewhere when downloaded, and you need to open files to work with them in a GUI tool...

I felt bad because we wasted so much effort on this at the expense of later topics in #GIS.

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Delta Wye

@Brett_E_Carlock @SwiftOnSecurity I’m even seeing this with some younger engineers out of college who are somehow having difficulties with navigation in a Windows 10 PC… :psyduck:

Brett Edmond Carlock

@DeltaWye @SwiftOnSecurity Yeah, this has seemingly hit all disciplines.

Shit, when I worked consumer ITS I had college students in Computer Science coming to me to fix their computers, remove virsues, install software, setup backups, perform OS upgrades, install Linux...

You would assume that these skills would be defacto in that disciple, but no.

Mobiles have abstracted so much away that folks really have no idea how much of it functions. This isn't a judgement, either. There isn't a need.

Brett Edmond Carlock

@SwiftOnSecurity I had one student that downloaded the intro project datafile over fifteen times before they asked me why the nothing was happening when they downloaded it...

Doesn't beat working Small/Local Government and seeing someone download the same exact excel file every single day instead of you know... saving a copy and editing it.

They had over a thousand copies in their download folder -_-

Rahul Gaitonde

@Brett_E_Carlock @SwiftOnSecurity I feel for you. I cannot comprehend how it must be explaining what a file is, what file types are.

There seems to be so much knowledge yet not enough education.

I wonder how computer skills are taught in schools now. My schooling was the late 90s, a very different time. I wonder if they are taught filesystems, folders, files, types, permissions, what being ‘connected to the Internet’ actually means.

Brett Edmond Carlock

@rahulgaitonde @SwiftOnSecurity At least for the cohorts of students I taught, they were not more than passingly aware of any of the above, except internet.

They were all bright kids, so they caught on, but there's a lot of tacit knowledge you acquire from years and years of managing files, data, and the operating system itself that is lost when you have generations of folks coming up that are not exposed to any of that.

It needs to be taught, and it isn't the kids' fault.

Rahul Gaitonde

@Brett_E_Carlock @SwiftOnSecurity I agree -in my (limited) experience, computer education in schools is tactical & tool oriented. That doesn’t build foundational knowledge of what is now pervasive in our society.

I blame non-file-oriented apps less than our educators. File-less interfaces are just one branch, if dominant today, of interacting with information. There will be others - the web is one, chat like with GPT is one, AR/VR will be another.

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