@jeremy This is what I don't get about OSM. I do like the philosophy, and contribute to it when I can, but I also use it for planning journeys and that's because it's just *so much better a map* than other mapping tools. But you mention it and people back away like you've got a pamphlet for them.

The apps have been literally next to each other on my phone for three years and if GM were better at whatit does, then I've definitely been stuck in the rain looking for a pub or an office or train station or whatever enough times that my principles would have drifted at least once!