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@LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo Yeah, it's very vague and amorphous how to parse through what is true vs what we need to do to get the computer to let us continue... not ideal. @davidaugust @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo Ditto with the shoulder of the person ON the motorcycle that protrudes into is own square. @msbellows @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo Oh my gosh yes. I feel like someone could do a philosophy dissertation on what the nature of one of these objects is, and we need to have a concrete, firm answer just to continue on a website. @msbellows @davidaugust @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust I once failed so hard that I had to switch to audio confirmation to log into Steam because I kept clicking all the cells with motorcycles, even though it was the mirror or whatever. @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust I just click things randomly, it eventually lets you through π€·π» Or I just nope out of the site if itβs not worth my time to sabotage it. @holly @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust i was seriously baffled when a friend just noped herself out of the captcha. I did not know we were allowed to just not obey π @KEKSMADAM @holly @MugsysRapSheet @PeterAperlo @davidaugust BECOME UNGOVERNABLE @MugsysRapSheet @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust same here. I've come to believe that it expects square or rectangle shaped selections. @LadyDragonfly @PeterAperlo @davidaugust If there are no lights, how do you see the sign? @PeterAperlo @steeph Great! Now I'll be listening to that in my head all day! ... Could be worse. :3 @davidaugust Eventually, people will be paid to fill these things out based on their ability to prove they are actually human, which not every person will be able to do. @davidaugust Maybe. Or maybe just people who are literal enough to interpret a request for a stop light as a request for an image of a stop light. @TMEubanks @davidaugust @TMEubanks ppl are already being paid to complete captures. If thereβs a marketβ¦ @davidaugust When you think about it, though, captchas never show you actual things. It's always just a picture on a screen. We automatically understand that "select all squares with traffic lights" means to select all squares containing pictures of traffic lights. And there *is* a picture of a traffic light there, on the picture of the sign. @wendinoakland @michaelgemar but now I have learned what tompe-l'Εil is...or have I merely been tricked into believing I now know something new... @davidaugust @michaelgemar Images which βfooled the eyeβ were foundational for the surrealists who wished to illustrate dreams or strange mental states. My favorite recent joke captcha is βFind the squares with pipesβ picturing Rene Magritteβs βCici nβest pas un pipeβ (This is not a pipe) @davidaugust my new game with these is to see how much i can get wrong and still get through @davidaugust with luck you are teaching their driverless cars to idle in front of this sign forever. @davidaugust On the plus side, when the Robot Uprising begins we now know we can stop their autonomous vehicles in their tracks by simply painting pretend traffic lights everywhere. The robots will patiently sit there for eternity waiting for the green to get brighter. @davidaugust I can't find it now, but I once saw a Treachery of Images parody with an Airpod. @davidaugust @davidaugust I'm late with this reference but I'm sharing it anyway because I didn't see this version in the replies :P @davidaugust These pictures are used for machine learning. It amuses me this is helping to train the machines that pictures of traffic lights are traffic lights. Somewhere some machine learning engineer is going "oooohhhh yeah pictures of the thing are not the thing... right..." @james And thus we encounter another context, instance and use case where human assumptions distort what we build in unexpected ways. It's good times. Interesting to see how we ourselves get reflected back by the systems we build. @davidaugust Since their answer is essentially used to train machine learning somewhere else, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to go along with what it "wants" in order to mess with them. @davidaugust This thread gave me an idea: put a fake captcha with a countdown timer, and when it finishes, display a video of a smoldering car with the caption "you weren't fast enough." @sowth Like IRL jeopardy, as if our captchas are making decisions in real-time for the world on the road. @davidaugust you can participate in this too https://adversarial-designs.shop/products/this-shirt-is-a-stop-sign @dillonniederhut Ooo, I like it. The never ending vortex of imitation and reality blurred forever. Thanks for sharing that. @davidaugust Tech billionaires: "Look, we've invented self-driving cars and β trust us here β they're PERFECTLY SAFE!" @msbellows @davidaugust I'm really enjoying this post because this is literally my job these days :) @mark @msbellows π Yes, it is like a shell game, "we can totally do this thing! Btw, can you do this other thing that clearly only needs doing to help us do that first thing that obviously we cannot yet do?" @davidaugust My car used to provoke me with statements like, βThe door is a jarβ. Sadly, it was unresponsive to my counter-arguments. @davidaugust I'm sure I once saw one which asked for bicycles, and the picture was a bicycle painted on the road - which looked nothing like a real bicycle would. I do wonder whether I imagined this as I didn't take a screenshot. @davidaugust @davidaugust @gus_shepherd@furry.engineer...did it want all squares with the sign in it, or only the squares with the iconography? I'm not even sure which of those would be more ontologically correct... |
@davidaugust I immediately thought of Picard and the lights while under torture by the Cardassians...