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Reina

@mo And then patted ourselves on our backs for having such a polite discussion about people's rights to live after ending by agreeing to disagree. We then let the nazis continue doing their thing because it was just a matter of polite disagreement.

Wait what?!

MaybeMyMonkeys

@Susan60 @mo we are willingly to be judged for our actions, they are not. That is the difference.

cat static

@Susan60 @mo Exactly. The comparisons to WW2 fail because: This is not a traditional land war and cannot be. This is The Troubles, American-style. The fascists are and have been begging the left to meet them with violence and abandon democratic institutions. Fucking dumb. (you could have just said you don't understand what any of this means, novatorine)

novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@cat_static @Susan60 @mo oh yeah, because democratic institutions are a real good defense against fascism (or somehow inherently legitimate lmfao) and "Traditional Land Wars" are somehow morally better than direct action. Fuck off lmfao

Susan60

@cat_static @mo The communists got down & violent with the fascists in pre Nazi Germany, & democracy failed because it was so new & not up to the serious challenges of post WWI. Democracy has worked relatively well in the UK (but debatably in recent years) because it evolved so slowly. Australia & NZ followed suit. The focus on individual rights &freedom in the USA has undermined the notion of citizen responsibilities. A passive citizenry allows extremists of all sorts to rise up.

cat static

@Susan60 @mo 💯 perfect breakdown. I'd only add that the U.S. battles are being fought in the courts; if people pay attention they'll see how we win the war. democracydocket.com/

Susan60

@cat_static @mo Yes, I’m hoping Republican judges & juries will take their responsibilities seriously. Rightly or wrongly, the US sets the tone for much of the western world. Trump & his ilk haven’t done any of us any favours.

novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@Susan60 @mo it's not the abstract, vague tactics that one uses, scrubbed of all their specifics and their end goals, that determines whether someone is a fascist.

Azmar

@Susan60 @mo Fascists use violence to assert dominance against groups of people based purely on prejudice and sense of self-importance.

Violence against fascists is to make them: not do that.

(Or maybe you can try to have a reasonable and polite conversation with the hate-fueled skinheaded swastika-wearing crowd, after all, what's the last time that strategy DIDN'T work, right?)

Nando161

@mo it's unfortunate that fascism still lived after ww2, george carlin made valid points about this years ago...

youtu.be/Uvd68ovD68s?feature=s

DELETED

@mo You should see Alfred HItchcock's original take

zephyr :verified_paw:

@mo blunt objects like bats are not enough, we need sharp ass weapons and bullets that draw out plenty of blood

The Turtle

@mo nononono... baseball bats are large, expensive and awkward.

Use hammers!

I recommend them highly.

novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@mo yeah the problem with fastest and wasn't the politically motivated threat to violence it was what those political motivations were and what those threats of violence were attempting to achieve as their end goals, in specific. This is the thing about centrists who pull this shit — in order to create a false equivalency between fascists and anti-fascists they have to retreat to using vague generalities and abstractions like politically motivated violence and attempting it to ensure political Conformity and stuff like that instead of being specific and talking about the goals each side has and the world each side wants to live in — where each side draws the line at what is unacceptable belief and behavior worthy of violence is actually extremely important and they attempt to erase that. The way to deal with people that use nonsense reasoning like this is to force them to be specific no matter what. Ruthlessly tell them over and over to be specific about what fascists want and what anti-fascists want and don't let them wriggle out of the question.

@mo yeah the problem with fastest and wasn't the politically motivated threat to violence it was what those political motivations were and what those threats of violence were attempting to achieve as their end goals, in specific. This is the thing about centrists who pull this shit — in order to create a false equivalency between fascists and anti-fascists they have to retreat to using vague generalities and abstractions like politically motivated violence and attempting it to ensure political Conformity...

Joe Quinlan 🇵🇸

@mo

Four of my uncles were Antifa. Two of them landed at Normandy, and two of them fought in the Pacific. None of them were the least bit civil to the fascists they encountered. Happily, all four of them survived. I honor their memory.

Michael Porter

@mo Converse politely and carry a big stick

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti

@mo cure for any-ism is:
to declare them "Your LAW+RELIGION for you, my LAW+RELIGION for me"...that would drive them into bankruptcy.

Till

@mo

It won't work. They only have a baseball bat and no bricks...

piped.video/watch?v=zB5Gf6osDW
Or if piped doesn't work, here the direct link
youtube.com/watch?v=zB5Gf6osDW

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