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Tube🍂Time

oh! now the card is putting data onto the bus! the "test1" channel is the data direction for the 74lvc4245 buffers showing that they are transferring data from the card to the host PC.

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Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

wow, it actually works, i'm able to write a value to the simple register and read it back. this is a HUGE step forward.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

i'll need to figure out what is up with the MADE24 line. could be that the pin doesn't actually do that. the HDD pinout is one that i reverse engineered a while back, so it might be a mistake.

this could also explain the damage to the PC, perhaps the card tried to write to the data bus when it was not supposed to and damaged the output drivers of some other chip.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

huh, the "MADE24" line is controlled by bit 7 of register 96. I wonder what that is.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

lol, this is the active high CHRESET! i was wondering why that line seemed to be missing.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

moving on to the Teensy interface. i had to choose the IO pins carefully so i can make a 16-bit parallel IO port.

Tube🍂Time replied to FozzTexx

@fozztexx it's because DBA-ESDI is also inherently 16-bit. weird, but i must say that 256-word sectors is actually kinda satisfying.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

got the Teensy interface up and running. i'm using direct IO port access on the Teensy 4.1. take a look at core_pins.h in the Teensy header files. basically you can read from GPIOx_PSR and write to GPIOx_DR.

i also had to add a short delay to create some setup time for the FPGA--the Teensy 4.1 is a hair too fast lol

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

bidirectional registers now work! i can write a command from the PC to the Teensy, and i can write a response from the Teensy and read it from the PC. there are also status flags showing when new data is available. it may not seem like much, but this is huge progress.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

excellent progress today. I've been able to implement the "Get Diagnostic Status" command. it transfers the command block and handles the returning status block as well as the flags and interrupts. best of all, it works on real hardware using my diagnostic program!

Darryl Ramm replied to Tube🍂Time

Great progress! But help out simpleton me, I've lost track of what you are doing. Is this still part of reverse engineering things to get a SnarkBarker to work on the expansion port?? Or an entirely different project?

Tube🍂Time replied to Darryl

@darryl_ramm it is a solid state replacement HDD that works with the weird IBM DBA-ESDI protocol (similar in concept to IDE)

Darryl Ramm replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Cool, I would love to get a 701 butterfly. Had one for years at work.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

OK why does pin 1 start halfway down the edge of this chip???

my best guess is that the die is rotated to a 45 degree angle. anyway i want to dump the contents so i can analyze the drive firmware.

Alan Martello replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I’ve always wondered about that. I think your intuition is accurate since that would allow a smaller package size from less area outside the die needed to route to the external pads.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

no 28-pin TSOP socket, oh well

Tim replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime you gotta do what you gotta do

Oliver Klink replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I once bought the wrong form factor AtMega 8...

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

now i'm knee deep in Ghidra listings. this code probably runs the entire hard drive, not just the host interface.

Keelan replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime

Meme image: good news bad news.jpg
Top text: successfully locating the reset vector in a piece of mystery code
Bottom text: realizing that the code starts doing weird stuff when you’re only 5 instructions into the reset vector

I have mainly reverse engineered things with user interfaces, so there’s always strings I can work backwards from. Doing something like a hard drive controller is playing the game on extra hard mode.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

this sort of reverse engineering is very much like solving a challenging puzzle. you push and push until you can deduce something based on what you already know, then you pivot, taking that new knowledge and pushing on that until you learn even more.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

so last night I identified the power on self test routines by inspection. it's not too hard to identify a checksum routine or a memory test routine. this helped me fill in the memory map.

also, the POR test function stores the results at a particular memory location, and the codes match up with the POR error codes in the DBA-ESDI spec! the next step is to search the whole ROM for any instructions that read this memory location--this should identify the functions that generate the status block.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

drive firmware is turning into a bit of a slog so i switched over to the IBM BIOS. having a spec is nice, but the code will cover a bunch of corner cases.

Alan Martello replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Out of curiosity, does the newer IBM BIOS have any similarity to the original IBM PC AT BIOS that they published in the AT Tech Reference from March 1984? Wondering if they ever did a full rewrite at some point. bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pd

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

managed to reverse engineer enough that I was able to read the defect map out of one of the original hard drives. sounds easy but the process uses DMA.

🇺🇦 haxadecimal replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I've lost count of the things I've done that "sounds easy but the process uses DMA."

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

working through a nasty timing hazard with the mailbox flags on the command port. sometimes you write data and the "data available" flag never gets set.

so now i am digging through the logic that yosys generated to see if it even makes sense.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

having good test programs is important. here's the status interface register dropping values. the Teensy program is just writing an incrementing number, and the diagnostics program is checking for gaps.

Douglas King replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime
If a computer can't count straight, it's not a good sign.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

got that all sorted out. it was a synchronization issue with the flags between the two interfaces.

this is the "seek" command successfully completing! this is a *major* step since it requires 4 working mailboxes and interrupts.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

another important step today--i got the data port and data port mailbox flags working. it can also detect 8-bit vs 16-bit transfers. getting very close to working PIO transfers.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

nice! I managed to get PIO data transfers working well enough for the buffer test routine to pass.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

ok this is fantastic--I've managed to transfer my first actual sector! it's just using PIO and the data is not from a real filesystem, but this is another big step forward!

Darryl Ramm replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Almost makes you want to lovingly caress it's slightly sticky chemically degraded surface. 😉

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

DMA on Micro Channel is really hard. i'm running a bunch of simulations first, making adjustments to the logic as needed.

so many moving parts.

Briala replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I wonder if IBM expected you to use a special chip that did a lot of that for you.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

wow, got four bytes to transfer successfully over DMA! not sure why it got stuck after that.

Norman Wilson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime It's two! (click) two! (click) two chips in one!

momo replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime It's at least so common that the Altium footprint generator has an option for it, although I have never seen it in the wild on any chip sp far.

🇺🇦 haxadecimal replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime A lot of early quad SMD packages numbered starting in the middle of the "top" side, and that was purely a (dumb) thing done by package vendors, and dice were always still mounted orthogonally. (or perhaps _almost_ always)

Norman Wilson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Isn't MADE24 supposed to stay low for another four and a half months?

http :verified: replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Is that photo from an Agilent scope screen? If yes, which scope are you using?

Tube🍂Time replied to http

@http this is a logic analyzer, the Agilent/Keysight 16822.

http :verified: replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Ah, a dedicated 68 channel 350MHz state logic analyser. "state data rates up to 1.4 Gb/s". Looks cool expensive. Can't even find a price online. My Saleae is far away from that.

ShutterBugged replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime how did you get past it, if the computer's hardware is now borked?

Tube🍂Time replied to ShutterBugged

@developing_agent beats me, it still boots despite the error

JeffG replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime And now I learned there's a 168xx series of LA.

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