@Gargron More in favour of Option 1, purely because if nothing else, the pandemic has taught us you cannot rely on people to do the right thing.

@Gargron here's a potentially shocking idea - implement both and have it be a selectable option per instance. Let's see what works better in practice for people.

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Option 2 with some people will never happen IMHO ... So maybe something like option 2, with reminders to admin of
posts flagged still present after x days, then option 1, a moderator does the job...

@Gargron from the user perspective, in option 1, they post something and then its automatically gone.
In option 2, they post something, get suspended. Now they have a choice whether they want to delete the content in question, or if they believe their posting habits are not in line with this server's terms of use, migrate somewhere else.

@Gargron Twitter’s requirement that a user delete their own post feels patronizing to a normal user. But it probably exists to frustrate botters that automagically post the same thing over many accounts.

@Gargron I'm so glad you're considering these features and I hope to see the free choice between them, because different communities absolutely will need very different moderation styles this has potential to support.

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How do you deal with appeals? 2 might be better for adapting in that case?

@Gargron Their bigget problem is differentiating between an insult to a user and an insult over a puppet, that which I am dealing with & this isn’t the first time. Banning for 6 days is a great way to lose the user completely. :unarist:

@Gargron Apparently I got flagged on FB and didn't even know it for weeks. If the notice did come up, it flashed by. If not, then how am I supposed to know I erred so I don't do it again. There needs to be something sent to the user to know when a line is crossed and a way to explain, in case it was an innocent remark or something taken in the wrong context, otherwise it's likely to happen again because there was no explanation presented.