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jonathankoren™

@docpop if l/when real self driving comes to consumer vehicles, I want this. Parking in the city is one of the main things I hate about driving to SF, that and it always seems just too congested.

Hop out, and have the car stick itself somewhere or nowhere. I don’t care. If I have to park it, I have to hope for someplace close to wherever I want, there never is.

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moggie

Park in a transit lot, ride transit into city. Problem solved.

@robotmonkeys @docpop

jonathankoren™

@EverydayMoggie @docpop I forgot to mention that I try to avoid driving to/in SF as much as possible, but let’s be honest, transit is so impractical, it’s an insult.

Caltrain’s off peak travel time from SF-SJ is what? Once an hour with a travel time of two hours? BART isn’t much better, and assumes you can travel via transit to Milpitas. Either way, you have to transfer to a bus to get wherever you really want.

I’d rather not waste 5 hours on a trip that takes 1.5

moggie

I was suggesting you drive to someplace partway in and use transit for the last bit of the journey. At one time I drove everywhere, but I no longer drive at all. I lived in the suburbs car-free for 10 years. When you've lived both, you realize car ownership is no easier or more practical than riding transit. It's just that people are blind to how much time and effort they sink into that car.

@robotmonkeys @docpop

✅ Evert Albers

@EverydayMoggie @robotmonkeys @docpop I was going to say "grab a bike" but I believe SF is polka dot jersey territory? In that case I'll say 'grab an electric bike". Or that jersey of course.

SusanLewis

@evert just ride your bike downhill, then put it in the driverless car to take it back to the top!

Joe

@robotmonkeys @EverydayMoggie @docpop Other countries have this right. The distance between Düsseldorf and Cologne is just a bit less than the distance between SJ and SF. Every few minutes there is a train and it takes about 40 minutes. You can't drive that fast once time to find a parking spot is considered. Projects to improve Caltrain speed and frequency have been killed by rich nimbys on the peninsula.

MerGlOwl, Octopus-Faenby

@not2b @robotmonkeys @EverydayMoggie @docpop and train services around cologne/düsseldorf and generally germany are still considered to be really shitty. imagine what would be possible if the railnetwork wasnt cronically underfunded.

Jeff C. 🇺🇦

@robotmonkeys @docpop The city could charge a tax for miles driven on public roads while unoccupied, but open the door for private parties to rent out their unused parking spots by the minute to accommodate these vehicles.

This would get these vehicles off the road when not in use to mitigate congestion while also making more efficient use of existing private parking.

jonathankoren™

@jeff @docpop honestly though, it’s not any dumber than human driven taxis driving around.

Jeff C. 🇺🇦

@robotmonkeys @docpop I agree — I’m not reflexively against self-driving vehicles, and look forward to them becoming more viable — though I still think there is room for improvement in how we plan for and accommodate them.

Roy Wiggins

@robotmonkeys @docpop If it's congested now wait until every car on the road is an empty Waymo

smithkm

@robotmonkeys @docpop As harmful as parking lots are for a city, cars that are in motion are even worse. Electric power reduces some of the problems and an eventual "better than human" automation would also reduce some problems. But there are problems inherent to using individual multi-ton high speed metal boxes on city streets as the dominant form of transportation. "Deadheading" will just make things worse.

nf

@robotmonkeys @docpop why do you want this and not for the public transport options you mentioned to be improved? Have you ever lived or visited somewhere with a good public transport system? It’s awesome, and benefits everyone.

jonathankoren™

@nf@mastodon.sdf.org stop putting words in my mouth dumbfuck

Matt Palmer

@robotmonkeys @docpop having every car currently parked instead driving around and around all day will definitely do wonders for congestion.

Owen

@robotmonkeys @docpop you might be surprised to learn that a bunch of empty vehicles driving around will not help congestion.

Ferrichrome

@owen @robotmonkeys @docpop Yeah, once this tech is commonplace we will have to seriously look at how our transportation and road system is set up. Or just let traffic keep building 🤷‍♀️

Owen

@Ferrichrome @robotmonkeys @docpop also an option to seriously rethink our transportation system before the tech is commonplace!

Ferrichrome

@owen @robotmonkeys @docpop Oh yeah, totally agree with you there. I just think it’s unlikely to happen since there’s so many negatives to car dominance and yet we continue to do nothing.

Owen

@Ferrichrome @robotmonkeys @docpop we can do it! It's already happening, just very slowly. Gotta get more engaged with safe streets advocacy and politics.

Ferrichrome

@owen @robotmonkeys @docpop Thank you, I appreciate your positivity, I need to hear it sometimes.

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