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Scalzi

As ever, disregard what a company says publicly and focus on what the legal documents says you are agreeing to when you use their product.

theverge.com/2023/8/7/23822907

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pmb

@scalzi Zoom has, since it’s inception, shown itself to be a pretty terrible company

Jernej Simončič �

@pmb @scalzi Yeah, it's a shame because the software is pretty good (at least compared to competition).

Carolannie

@scalzi i guess they'll argue you never owned it in the first place as per their terms and condtions

Ministerofimpediments

@carolannie @scalzi Basically this. When they can change the TOS essentially at will then they can do whatever under the cover of “using our services constitutes agreement”. They will do it without asking and only acknowledge it if they get caught…which will be difficult as the models mulch the data pretty effectively and the models are basically black holes.

DELETED

@scalzi These are the assholes who said they had end to end encryption when they didn't.

I have lots of #Opinions about Zoom.

:flan_reaper: - On Hiatus

@0xSH00T

and based off the chatter yesterday: there are plenty of people who still think that it's e2e encrypted.

@scalzi

chidi_anagonye

@0xSH00T @scalzi

It is impossible for them to both have e2e encryption and use the data per their terms, unless they are just talking about who you interact with and your account information.

jrm4

@scalzi
A good rule of thumb: When a tech company promises (without legal backing) that they're not going to do "a thing," 75% of the time they're doing something extremely similar and weasel wording out of it, and 24% of the time they're just straight up lying because they're not getting legally called out for it

K. N. Brindle (they/them)

@scalzi Even based on what they said in that article, they're not denying that they are using the content to train internal models. They're just not "claiming ownership." I'm sure that will be a huge relief to all the patients and healthcare providers (and HIPAA auditors) using Zoom.

Because as we know, training content for LLMs could *NEVER* leak across account boundaries... 🙄

Carolyn

@scalzi Ha! I was expecting this sometime today. :)

How long before they have an opt-out button? Which is still crappy, as this stuff should always be opt-in.

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

@scalzi
Note the words 'without consumer consent'. These people have shown themselves to have such a loose and whimsical notion of consent that they would claim you've signed away your firstborn child by merely glancing at the first paragraph of an EULA. They've taken the fair folk in mind, and said, "we can do better than that."

Isho'ye

@scalzi The phrase "value-added services" is enough to set off my BS detectors.

Steven Lipton

@scalzi one thing that I found interesting besides Zoom’s AI stuff is that the ToS states anything you upload becomes theirs to do with as they please, so that means if you want to keep your IP for a image you want as a background, don’t upload it.

Das

@scalzi The paragraph in the article says that says Zoom added the statement: "“Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.”

I don't see that in the Zoom ToS.
explore.zoom.us/en/terms/

Also fwiw I got a note from my Univ legal dept that the terms that the Univ has with Zoom are different and supersede the online 'regular' ToS

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