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Dgar

If you spend any real time on Mastodon, you will discover that some people take their #AltText very seriously indeed, and some may wonder "Why?".

Mastodon tries to be a place for all people, where everyone can have a voice, connect with like-minded people, and catch up on news and current events, regardless of ability. There are many vision impaired people who follow me now, and I try to make sure that my #AltText serves it's intended purposes.

Here is my approach.
Imagine you are describing the image to a friend with perfect eyesight, but is sitting out of view of the picture, like a friend on the other side of your desk who can't see the screen. Tell them the point of the picture, why it's there, what it means in context to the toot.

This example photo may have alt text as follows: A colour photograph of a black Steinway Grand Piano, with lid open and keyboard of black and white keys exposed. The branding "Steinway & Sons" can be seen written in gold above the keys and on the side of the piano which sits on gold coloured wheels, off-centre in the photo to the right, upon a red wood herring bone patterned floor. A white cornice separates the floor from the grey wall behind the piano which only takes up about one third of the entire frame of the photo.

This kind of description is overkill if none of that description is relevant to the original toot, especially if you were explaining this toot to a sighted friend.

For what it's worth. ❤️

A photograph of a grand piano.
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Dgar

Someone has taken my piano bench!

A photograph of a grand piano in an empty room. The piano bench is missing.
Dgar

Just finished painting the music room! Time to start moving everything in!!

A photograph of a grand piano in front of a freshly painted grey wall.
Patrick

@dgar I don't know if there's something going wrong in my brainbox Dgar, but it looks like a very small piano. Like a tiny one. Like for a dollhouse.

Dgar

@PatrickoftheG
I know what you mean. There’s nothing there for reference.

JaneETowle

@dgar wow that looks really nice :blobcatcoffee:

Cassandra FM

@dgar I really like your examples. My approach to #AltText is the same. Different details are relevant for different purposes.

The thing that frustrates me the most is when someone's alt text is missing an element that's key to understanding the joke.

Dgar

@Cassandra
That would be frustrating.
☝️😊👍

Dgar

I take my AltText game seriously. 😊

@rgulick

Virgile Andreani

@dgar @rgulick I really appreciate #AltText even though I have no vision issues. Sometimes, I just don't get the joke or why the person is posting the picture, or what is remarkable about this picture. What is obvious for the person writing the toot might not be obvious at all for everyone seeing it. In the end, I see #AltText not only as picture descriptions but also as figure legends.

Marge Wu 吴静玫
@dgar I like the point about salience you make with these two images. On the bird site because adding/searching for gifs was so easy, I often used gifs where I had no idea what they were from. My alt text in those cases focused on the details that made me choose the image rather than all the details of the image.
Paul_IPv6

@dgar

🎶​"you shake my nerves and you rattle my brain"🎶​

grand piano all ready for Jerry Lee Lewis's performance of his signature song.
Maggieci

@dgar Great examples! I also read on here that you don't have to say "a photo of" or "a gif of" because alt readers already say what kind of attachment it is.

The alt text area is a place to explain the point you make with the photo. And to hide an easter egg 😜

Chris Bohn

@MaggieCi @dgar
> easter egg

Personally, I was very tickled when I alt-texted some alt-text.
techhub.social/@DocBohn/109950

Dgar

@DocBohn @MaggieCi
😂

Maggieci

@DocBohn @dgar AhhhHAA Country Fresh, as in we just spread pig manure on the back forty 😂

Karen E. Lund 💙💛

@dgar #AltText is where my BA in English intersects with my nature photography. I might sometimes be guilty of the overkill you describe, but I enjoy describing the object of my photo (bird, plant, etc.) and the foreground and background.

Interestingly, now that you call my attention to it I realize I do this more for my own photos than for other images I share. Whatever that means.

Dgar

@Karen5Lund
If you’re describing your own photograph, then a comprehensive description from the photographer is only going to add value. Particularly is the topic of the toot is photography.

Nonsense Factory

@dgar

@georgetakei you might like this thread 😊

thefathippy

@dgar

I paid for the Fedilab app (android).

Fedilab warns me if I try to toot any image without alt text, or if I try to boost a toot containing an image without alt text.

Poifect!

HistoPol (#HP)

@thefathippy @dgar

Even better:
This is optional and can be turned off (e. g. when you explain the #images already in your #toots).

DELETED

@dgar As one of the many blind people that follow you, thank you. It makes my heart sing to know there are people out there commited to making this place more inclusive.

Dgar

@The_BookishWolf
You’re welcome!
Thanks for following along!
*hugs

Urban Hermit

@dgar
I've sort of gone the other way, the context of what is pictured is always in the post, so I've been trying to just accurately describe the picture in case there is context or interest that I don't see.

I have been describing a lot of kites lately. Sometimes I feel foolish saying "a small red kite on a blue, partly cloudy, sky", but a lot of people with vision issues were not blind from birth, so maybe they want to know that the kite is red?

CharJTF :a11y: (she/her)

@Urban_Hermit My husband is colorblind. He'd appreciate knowing the color without having to ask me 🙂 @dgar

aburka 🫣

@dgar To use my recent experience as a sighted person, imagine your instance administrator accidentally let the SSL certificate expire for the media server but you're still scrolling mastodon and are too lazy to click through to load the media from the original server on every toot :)

tiredt

@dgar love it

Celine warns of Idiocracy

@dgar 1 ...

For a few days now I am contemplating a toot about this topic.

I usually take the effort to describe in detail what is in a photo. Once on the Bluebird site I read a tweet from a blind person who asked for better descriptions in #AltTexts and explained also what screen readers are capable of and what not - for example, if there are only emojis in the handle/nickname of the tweeter, the screen reader cannot say what it means.

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Celine warns of Idiocracy

@dgar 2 ...

Since then, I changed my name handle to only letters (no special signs, no earth pictograph) and payed extra attention to what I attached to my tweets. And, I am imagining what I would like to know about a picture, if I couldn't see it. Or, try to explain it to a friend on the phone (landline, no video possible).

What is very sad is, when people just put their text from the toot above into the #AltText and think that would be enough. No. It is not.

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