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Roni Äikäs ⚛️

@kissane I have to say, I understand these people. I'd say that Mastodon is a hard platform for non-tech people to find their place.

Hashtags feel foreign to me, as they aren't used as often (anymore) on other platforms. With Twitter, they are kinda discouraged because of the character limit. It's sometimes hard to find the right hashtags, or even come up with right hashtags for your post.

The "build your own feed" philosophy seems still bit hard for me. The "follow everyone, unfollow if don't like afterwards" also feels bit foreign to me, as on platforms that have a recommendation algorithm, I just follow the people that I want to see the content more often. Like, that person has to prove their worth to me, before I follow them.

From 0, finding people is really, really hard, especially out of your instance. If you have to leave your own home instance to for example view older posts, it might be an other frontend, theme or software even. And interactions from other instances work, well not very greatly without any browser extensions.

I am currently at a point that I have started to get my own little bubble big enough that I have new content on the feed pretty regularly and notifications pretty often (especially now with the release of #Mastopoet). But still I miss being able to scroll away and have new suggestions provided by an algorithm from accounts I haven't seen before. I didn't use Twitter before the algorithm was introduced, so I don't know a time before that.

It would be very likely that I would not have started to use Mastodon actively if it wasn't for @rolle moving here. I actually created my first account on March 2022 on social.isekai.fi, an instance that was deleted at some point, RIP. Oh yes, instances. Didn't even cover them!

Instances allow to have a lot of variety, but for a normal user, they probably don't care that much. For them the most important things are probably:
- people there, same interests
- rules in which they feel safe
- possibly theme

Moving instances is bit difficult, especially if your instance has a WebFingered domain (like social.vivaldi.net being vivaldi.net on Mastodon). Got confused when I transitioned here.

It's also difficult, because your posts don't come along with you. You leave them on the old instance. And instances get deleted sometimes (like the first instance I was on, and the popular mastodo.fi here in Finland soon). You get your followers (if you transfered in time) and your following. Otherwise you are left with a blank slate.

I mean, I like it here. #Mastodon is amazing in it's own ways. I love the API, the developer community here, but I understand it's challenges with the non-techy people. It's just too hard for them to get their feed built and get to that dopamine rush by scrolling.

Twitter and other commercial social media are designed to be addictive. To feed you dopamine. To get you to be more active and use the platform more, to get more ad revenue. Mastodon doesn't aim for that, so people get withdrawal symptoms and resort back to Twitter or other social media.

That's my personal analysis.

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Roni Äikäs ⚛️

@kissane @rolle But I have to say, I would never be this active on Twitter. The atmosphere there is just too oppressive? (don't know if that's the right term). It feels like that every time you tweet, you have the obligation to provide some value to your followers. You have to either create quality, professional tweets or entirely shitposts and parody.

It doesn't feel like microblogging.

Roni Äikäs ⚛️

@kissane On Mastodon, but also on other platforms too regarding topics that interest me also (like politics, city planning, etc), but that I know some of my followers don't give a shit about them, so I don't feel like talking about them, boosting posts about them, etc. because I have a feeling that I need to provide that kind of content that they are interested in and have received in the past from me to my followers.

This also goes bit to the Content Warning side probably, but I don't feel like using them. It's a hassle for the people that are interested in them to click every one of them open. Some people create multiple accounts, but I find it a hassle also to maintain multiple accounts and feeds.

@kissane On Mastodon, but also on other platforms too regarding topics that interest me also (like politics, city planning, etc), but that I know some of my followers don't give a shit about them, so I don't feel like talking about them, boosting posts about them, etc. because I have a feeling that I need to provide that kind of content that they are interested in and have received in the past from me to my followers.

VivSmythe

@raikas @kissane I use an app that allows me to easily switch between multiple accounts (I currently have two - one on an AU server for mostly local content/community, and one on another server where I keep in touch with international invisible friends I first encountered on USENet along with their friends and friends-of-friends). They have different vibes for my different moods. I could imagine maybe adding further accounts in future but not there yet.

Roni Äikäs ⚛️

@vivsmythe @kissane For me it would feel a bit weird. I understand different accounta for different languages, but about interests it feels like having a different personality with different friend groups. Maybe would be a hassle for others too, because some times topics are maybe related to interests of both accounts 🤷. Don't know.

VivSmythe

@raikas @kissane I do sometimes boost a post I made on one account to the other account, usually a photo I'm super happy with. It seems fine.

Btw, don't most of us have slightly different personalities with different friend groups? Not necessarily deep down, but in terms of how much we gravitate to the centre or the edges or somewhere in between?

James Moffitt

@raikas @kissane @rolle I felt as if there was too much advertising going on.

Toni Aittoniemi

@raikas @kissane @rolle Ah yes, I had the jitters crawl my brain for months after leaving Twitter.

But it’s now ex-twitter, literally.

I like it here. Most for the calm of mind actually. Not feeling like an algorithm is watching your every move is liberating.

You stop performing when you get here. And that is great.

#noalgorithm

Roni Äikäs ⚛️

@gimulnautti @kissane @rolle It's more chill. Lower barrier, no need to try optimize posts for the algorithm, because there ain't one.

Over the last few days I have found the fun in Mastodon and the community when developing #Mastopoet , before that I used it more randomly, to check what rolle has posted, etc. But I haven't really touched Twitter in the last few days, just to inform people I'm now here.

Seems like I have got enough dopamine from the interactions to the #Mastopoet posts 😎. And I enjoyed a lot creating a tool for the community, and to see people actually use it.

This also is because of some other things about my projects in the past not getting finished/released properly, and this project now being finally in a good state.

I enjoy writing here a lot. Thankfully on #MementoMoriSocial we have the 10k character limit here, even though I have wrote only about 4000 characters in a single post, this far. I probably should write more. I tend to write very long posts, this also being over 1000 characters now. Whoops. Just get the inspiration and feel to write for some reason.

@gimulnautti @kissane @rolle It's more chill. Lower barrier, no need to try optimize posts for the algorithm, because there ain't one.

Over the last few days I have found the fun in Mastodon and the community when developing #Mastopoet , before that I used it more randomly, to check what rolle has posted, etc. But I haven't really touched Twitter in the last few days, just to inform people I'm now here.

Roni Laukkarinen

@raikas Glad you got that feeling with #Mastopoet ❤️ for me it's been that with open source in general but Mastodon has kinda boosted it x100 like with #MastodonBirdUI and other tools.

But not only that, the instant reactions and more natural discourse are great here. I agree everything what you said about the barriers, well put.

As I'm someone who has lived through the growth of the Intenet, I really believe we can achieve the mindset of learning things again, the new more healthy and natural way of using social media. I like this movement and I hope this change continues. I'd like to see that someday people see what nowadays Intenet is doing to us. I'm hopeful.

@gimulnautti @kissane

@raikas Glad you got that feeling with #Mastopoet ❤️ for me it's been that with open source in general but Mastodon has kinda boosted it x100 like with #MastodonBirdUI and other tools.

But not only that, the instant reactions and more natural discourse are great here. I agree everything what you said about the barriers, well put.

Sampath Pāṇini ®

@gimulnautti @raikas @kissane @rolle
The algorithms are like microdosed dopamine.

The principles of user-centric product development dictate that the team should give the community what it wants.

What happens when it wants meth? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Erin Kissane

@paninid @gimulnautti @raikas @rolle

@maya has a great post about this. maya.land/responses/2022/11/28

I think it's crucial that we don't conflate "algos" with "evil algos," but also that whatever we do with recommendations and non-chrono feeds be handled with the kind of care we use with explosives.

aces

@kissane@mas.to @paninid@mastodon.world @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @raikas@mementomori.social @rolle@mementomori.social @maya@occult.institute

Tumblr just open sourced their algorithm for feeds - I believe that's an excellent foundation for a healthy algorithm.

Delta Wye

@gimulnautti @raikas @kissane @rolle The people here are really great too! It’s almost surreal.

Toni Aittoniemi

@DeltaWye @raikas @kissane @rolle Mostly very nice, yes. Depends quite a lot where you travel 🙂

Delta Wye

@gimulnautti @raikas @kissane @rolle They can be very eccentric too, but I’m totally OK with eccentric people.

CharlesWRobinson_2023

@raikas @kissane @rolle Mastodon feels like it will be the platform for developing relationships and delving into topics beyond a superficial level. I believe this is where collaborations will begin.

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