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Rocketman

@rysiek Someone put up the text on Google Docs:

docs.google.com/document/u/1/d

Apparently, Apple also is an anti-advertising extremist. That´s a bit of a pity. I feel much less avant-garde now.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@slothrop dear lord.

> Takeaway 1: Extremists are winning the battle for hearts and minds in Washington D.C. and beyond. We cannot let that happen.

> So let’s take each of these one by one. We can start with The Political extremists focused on making “Big Tech'' their sworn enemy.

Wow. Just wow.

Torb 🦋

@slothrop @rysiek Worth noting Apples hypocrisy here as they have their own ad systems in some places.

Not that I’m arguing against the main point or a anything.

I’m a Apple user, and happy that they are less shitty in some ways, but still worth mentioning.

Marta Threadbare

@torb @slothrop @rysiek in this instance Apple is probably mostly anti-the-main-thing-their-competitors-get-money-from. They would probably be as pro-advertising as any other business if Google didn't have a monopoly on it.

jramskov

@torb @slothrop @rysiek Apple isn’t against ads, just open the App Store and see for yourself how absolutely awful an experience that is…

Torb 🦋

@jramskov That’s exactly the hypocrisy I’m pointing out.

jramskov

@torb It is frustrating that they have decided to ruin their own products.

ben

@slothrop @rysiek Top ad business executive: Dark Money is trying to put us out of business!
<plays ad paid for by "Dark Money" for demonstration>

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@sqrt2 @slothrop the whole text really feels like he's flailing, trying to blame everyone for IAB's failures.

mcc

@slothrop Maybe not a welcome reply but: Apple's competitors are advertising-driven, but Apple uniquely because of their market positioning does not have to rely on advertising revenue to do business. Therefore they have an incentive to make advertising as universally unprofitable as possible, to deny competitors of funds that could be used to compete with them. So Apple *is* in fact strongly anti-advertising. This happens to align with consumer well-being, but that is basically a coincidence.

jramskov

@mcc @slothrop Not quite - Apple is extremely greedy and is doing all it can to grab the advertising revenue themselves.

treason commitress :red_flag:

@slothrop @rysiek holy hell are these people this gullible?

who could take this seriously?

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@almaember @slothrop this was not a public speech. It was a "rally the troops" internal kinda thing. And yes, they do believe this. And they believe they do good in the world. And all they ask in return is our data.

treason commitress :red_flag:

@rysiek @slothrop Interesting. I guess they see us the same way (not that we aren't obviously right, though).

It is scary what propaganda can do to people.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@almaember @slothrop it's scary what material conditions can do to people. Their material conditions are such that they benefit from surveillance capitalism. So they will defend it to the death, while twisting themselves in knots to "prove" they are the good guys.

bigiain

@rysiek @almaember @slothrop

> And all they ask in return is our data.

And they won’t take “no” for an answer…

bigiain

@slothrop @rysiek This bit made me eye roll so hard:

“It’s never buyer vs. seller, us vs. them - it’s all of us working together. To grow the digital economy.”

Which I interpret to mean:

“It’s never ad buyer vs. ad seller, us vs. them - it’s all of us working together against the common enemy, the consumers. To grow the digital economy at their expense.”

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@bigiain @slothrop silly consumer… wanting to have a say in how their data is used. How quaint.

fgaz

@slothrop @rysiek

>

Almost 30 years ago, an AT&T ad on HotWired.com — the first internet ad in history — had a 44% click-through rate. Not 4.4%, or point-four-four percent. Nearly HALF the human beings who saw the ad clicked on it. Bots hadn’t been invented yet, and fraud barely existed. There was one acronym for video — TV — instead of today’s alphabet soup. Regulations were few, and compliance was easy.

Ah yes, SURELY today’s low click-through rate is due to regulations, definitely not due to ads being shoved down our throats at every corner of the modern web

@slothrop @rysiek

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Almost 30 years ago, an AT&T ad on HotWired.com — the first internet ad in history — had a 44% click-through rate. Not 4.4%, or point-four-four percent. Nearly HALF the human beings who saw the ad clicked on it. Bots hadn’t been invented yet, and fraud barely existed. There was one acronym for video — TV — instead of today’s alphabet soup. Regulations were few, and compliance was easy.

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