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Xe :verified:

I tried using Email but the onboarding was very confusing. I have to choose a server? And I'm at the whims of server admins having petty disputes for if my posts are delivered to my friends?

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blueish howl

@cadey you have succesfully identified the parts of email that suck

Ferrichrome

@artemis @cadey Much like many people on mastodon use mastodon.social

Zumi | nki

@cadey feels like email in 2023 is that you make a Google account and use it for life; while your school/work emails are given to you under the whim of more Google or Microsoft ;(

Suitably ballyhooed

@cadey also, rude, the behavior of other users of your server influences your ability to email others?

Xandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

@cadey Did you know your mail administrator can read everything you send and that people send to you? Isn't that wild?

Hugo Slabbert ⚠️

@xgranade and direct messages aren't even end to end encrypted without jumping through a bunch of hoops? Pass...

apalu

@hugo @xgranade to be fair...

it really should be e2e.

Eris Renée

@xgranade @cadey omg EmAiL iS a SeCuRiTy NiGhTmArE

(actually kinda is but… yeah)

Xandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

@Eris @cadey I definitely don't mean to dismiss the concerns with e-mail or Mastodon DM security, but I do think it's definitely an example of motivated reasoning... especially since you never hear the same concerns brought up about trusting Musk et al with everyone's DMs.

wakame

@xgranade @cadey

I like to use the web interface, but a few of my friends use an app called "Outlook". Looks a bit weird with additional features like a calendar and stuff.

For EMail to become a success, we need more features like... IDK, an RSS feed?

Yuki 膤 :heart_trans:​

@cadey most people are on the two or three biggest servers, if you go on a smaller one there's no guarantee your posts will reach all your friends there

Jessica :verified_trans:

@Yuki @cadey also you can sometimes be prevented from communicating if someone else does something bad

Glitzersachen.de

@Yuki @cadey justified concern. Just discovered 2weeks ago, that my MTA cannot send to gmail. Good thing then, that I do not have any friends using gmail addresses.

Xe :verified:

Apparently there's this new thing that's supposed to save us but like their app is so hard to use and the window resizes so weirdly at random

Thorn Avery 🥀

@cadey what do you mean my email admin can read all my emails what the frick?

Cyberfæ :pentacle:

@cadey and the server operators can read all my emails??? Theres no encryption???

🏳️‍🌈 HeroRareheart 🏳️‍⚧️

@cadey yes but no. Think of it like if Twitter operated like email.

If that makes no sense, compleatly forget about it that anology will only confuse you further if it doesn't clear it up.

🏳️‍🌈 HeroRareheart 🏳️‍⚧️

@cadey wait I'm stupid and this is not related, forget what I said.

hayalci

@cadey the provider has a web interface, but it sucks on mobile. But for mobile, there are hundreds of client options, too 😔

Sylvhem

@cadey Also, I heard the admins can read your messages!

Dave Anderson

@cadey So I signed up for email but I don't seem to be getting the same email as everyone else, how can this possibly work

DELETED

@cadey I found the transition to be really too much.

There are seemingly hundreds of servers. Very bulky interface and I can't even tell how many characters they can see.

Rado :unverified:

@mentallyalex @cadey everybody can see as many characters as you can post - the character limit is on your side, not the other server's side

Yulian Kuncheff

@cadey I genuinely think that Apple started a trend of dumbing technology down so far, that the masses are becoming tech illiterate.

It's not just Apple, and it's partially that more of the world is online, but I feel like when I was a teenager, everyone had an email, everyone knew how to use it, people were happily chatting on forums, making geocities/angelfire/tripod sites, and so on. Willingly learning knew things.

Now I say Browser and people go "you mean Google?". And no one tries.

Drunemeton

@yulian @cadey
So true. I use #apple but damn can they stop treating every user like an idiot?

Fish Id Wardrobe

@yulian @cadey Apple saw Star Trek: TNG and the rest is really crappy history.

craig

@cadey - you possibly can't imagine how sad and funny your comment is for someone who used to do email before the internet arrived. If you are interested - try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

Jonathan Wight

@cadey @wezm This would be an accurate and rather funny parody if there weren't 1.5 BILLION users on gmail.

Charlotte 🦝 θΔ
@cadey imo activitypub works better than email as well

Ended up having to change my email address for my bank because it couldn't connect to my mail server (the only mail server that can't)
(((Thinkaholic))) is antifa

@cadey Ah, yes, the time-honored technique of mocking potential Mastodon users for not being geeky enough. The same approach that made Linux on the desktop so successful, now brought to anti-social media.
I will never understand this mindset of wanting Mastodon to absolutely fail to make a dent in the world and to see corporate platforms continue to dominate because… non-techs users are cringe? Because it’s so much fun to say “It works for me” and smirk? I guess I’m not cool enough to get it.

Cosmiss

@pooserville@dice.camp @cadey@pony.social

Yes, thank you. I've been trying to decide if I want to try and be more active here and if this is the place for me. But seeing all these posts lately make me feel like I shouldn't be here.

TeddyDD

@cadey to be honest, email is spam ridden nightmare so the analogy is not doing masto any favours.

Brinin’ Rotkel

@cadey Has anyone thought about how this is going to scale? If someone sends a message, it has to make a copy on both the sender’s server *and* the recipient’s server?? Including media which can be ten or more megabytes per message? I’m not made of hard drives!

flere-imsaho

@brandonlivesin @cadey (the annoying reply follows: the analogy would be technically more correct if an e-mail traversing the relays would have been stored indefinitely on each and every one of them, and there is much fewer systems in an e-mail relay chain than in a lifetime of mildly popular toot)

CaveDave

@cadey yeah, it's this negative reaction to "Mastodon is just like email" which made me realise that most people don't know how email works. Sure, they use it but they don't understand the fundamental technology underneath it. To them it might as well be more formal Instant Messaging.

KewlCat

@cadey and _they_ get to decide which email goes to the 'spam' folder!?

Frank Verhoeven

@cadey ...and don’t even think of moving to another server. You will be disappeared forever for all your contacts.

Christoph (Applied Go)

@Flies4no1 @cadey Except if you use a domain you own for email.

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