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Jon

@J12t Here's the roundup I did last week, they all show a majority of people who have opinions are in favor of blocking. And I just updated it with @admin's poll of their members where 88% don't want to federate.

privacy.thenexus.today/opinion

Anecdoatally, most (although not all) of the women I see expressing an opinion and who aren't in or adjacent to big tech are in favor of blocking, ditto with non-binary people.

#Meta #threads

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Johannes Ernst

@jdp23 @admin @mastodonmigration this is an excellent roundup of polls, but it still has no significance as all the samples were self-selected. (I’m not a polling expert, but that’s my understanding) But ultimately it doesn’t matter anyway, because one of the nice things about the fediverse is people can choose their instances, including running their own, and instance operators can make their decisions without need the permission of anybody.

Jon

@J12t Agreed on the limitation of polls. All we know is that the people who have seen these polls (one of which was on the top of the explore page on most instances) and care enough to vote in them are mostly, although not exclusively, in favor of blocking.

And I also included anecdotal information that aligns with it.

So there's two different non-conclusive pieces of evidence that the conversations you've been having aren't representative, and an explanation of why.

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@jdp23 @J12t In any case it is certainly true that a large portion of Mastodon users want to at least try federation, and a large portion want to block Meta. We need to prepare both groups with recommended protocols and procedures, and we must also sustain communication, coordination and community amoung all factions.

Jon

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Early signs are not promising. The pro-Meta group's talking points about the anti-Meta group include "religious" "extremist" and "toxic". But, it's certainly worth a try; in my threat model I had suggestions that that would help both groups, and Hachyderm found it useful. And I shared suggestions that would help both groups in @tchambers' thread. What gets prioritized will be a good indication of whether that camp values community.

@J12t

@mastodonmigration
Early signs are not promising. The pro-Meta group's talking points about the anti-Meta group include "religious" "extremist" and "toxic". But, it's certainly worth a try; in my threat model I had suggestions that that would help both groups, and Hachyderm found it useful. And I shared suggestions that would help both groups in @tchambers' thread. What gets prioritized will be a good indication of whether that camp values community.

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@jdp23 @tchambers @J12t Yeah well... We just need to keep reminding ourselves (even if it is hard to see at times) that there is more that unites us than divides us. It is easy to get swept up in our fears and interpret differences as bad intent. Bottom line, no one wants Meta to take over the world or the fediverse. Some think the protocols will keep the face eating leopard under control, others are more wary. Time will tell, and we will need each other once the face eating leopard arrives.

Johannes Ernst

@mastodonmigration @jdp23 @tchambers also: how long until the next guy shows up? Somebody in market share between tumblr and instagram. Would be very appealing to them to attach themselves to this open social network, no? So far I have not heard discussed very much what happens if there is a avalanche coming.

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@J12t @jdp23 @tchambers Good point. In fact, Medium and WordPress were pretty much welcomed (even though it is not clear how integrated their 'federation' actually is). But, as Jon points out, Meta is a very bad actor on the world stage, with a long history of evil, deceit, trickery and anti-democratic behavior. Not all corporations are the same.

zbecker

@mastodonmigration @J12t @jdp23 @tchambers

I have my share of issues with #meta, however one of the issues surrounding the #Fediverse for a long time is that a lot of people think that it is just #mastodon. Assuming #threads actually goes through with #federation, it could bring more attention to the fact that there is more to the fediverse.

I actually think that it is likely that federation will be one of the most dangerous things to meta's business model possible.

It is for that reason that I see it very likely that meta will try to discourage looking into other federated platforms as much as possible. They will not make account migration a thing.

@mastodonmigration @J12t @jdp23 @tchambers

I have my share of issues with #meta, however one of the issues surrounding the #Fediverse for a long time is that a lot of people think that it is just #mastodon. Assuming #threads actually goes through with #federation, it could bring more attention to the fact that there is more to the fediverse.

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