@bram hahahahaha

@bram omg I love this

@bram "to confirm that you know your way around Emacs, please type below the Lisp code for the core interaction loop with a Rogerian therapist AI"

@bram @elilla oh no … I bet they got plenty of bug reports from people who didn't know what vim is and activated the mode

@bram i actually love it

@bram amazing

@bram@gamedev.lgbt obsidian moment

@bram that's actually a smart way to do it: you say you know vim? Prove it!

@bram

@bram this is good ux. Frankly I think most users would benefit from a similar popup warning of the dangers of using a computer every time they power it on

@bram "To verify that you know your way around Vim" I know that command to catapult myself out of it, but I know absolutely nothing else.

@bram effing brilliant.

@bram

brilliant

@bram I lol'd when I hit it, but I think it's approps

@bram I'm sure they had many, many customer tickets with "I'm stuck"! 😂

@bram Hahaha, that’s brilliant

@bram

@bram I knew this already. It's great design, and very funny too.

Of course, I'd like more vim features in Obsidian, the stuff they offer is pretty barebones. But I will gladly take any #vim over no vim at all

@bram maybe it is time to switch to obsidian indeed

@bram It should ask for at least two different ways of doing that just to be sure xD.

@bram

:!killall -9 vim

@bram@gamedev.lgbt yeesh. things that make you go :q!

@bram When I saw this the first time I actually laughed out loud. I like Vim mode in most of my editors and I think this is absolutely great.

@bram I think it's not hillarious but makes sense to stop noobs from fecking up their setup!

@bram@gamedev.lgbt ^Zkill%1

@bram

Ha. It'd be even funnier if your last name was Moolenaar.

@bram

This reminds of how I discovered that the ed substitute command works in Discord. My brother @philipbrewer teases me for making typos, so in Signal, when I make a typo, I'll send a followup message "s/typo/fixed" to prevent him from teasing me. But when I did that in Discord IT JUST WORKED!

this has been my best toot ever, follow me for more niche editor content i guess?

@bram well, it's a good check tbh. I've been stuck in Vim at one time, not knowing how to get out of it 😅.

@bram something like that would have helped me, about 30 years ago

Hey, maybe some software *is* getting easier to use

@bram So good.

@bram Oh my goodness, if you get it wrong the popup is amazing

@bram i'm always curious what these accept, given it's vim and there's usually a couple ways to go about doing something

:q! is what they're expecting, what about ZQ? :exit? :!pkill vim?

@bram this would have saved me having to force power off my computer if it were built into vim in the late nineties.

@bram accidentally triggering vim mode in things with secret vim modes is the worst and this is both hilarious and excellent design from obsidian

@bram good UX 🤝 excellent punchline

@bram

Re: Obsidian / Vim mode

Which of the many ways of leaving Vim does it accept as the One True Way?
Asking for a friend 🙃

@bram Theres a VIM mode for Obsidian?!!

**Commence happy dance**

@bram That'd make me down right delete whatever produced the pop up.

With prejudice.

-- someone who is happy with the 5 vi commands known for 30 years+

@bram :term +q sudo rm -rf /

And stop suffering.

@bram omg I love it

@bram @lisamelton I had the exact same reaction when I used Obsidian for the first time. Knowledge of VIM is embedded in my lizard brain.

meanwhile the actual vim:

@bram they should implement that into Emacs or something as a joke xD

@bram

Re: Obsidian / vim mode

Which command does it accept as the One True Way?
Asking for a friend 🙃

[Delete and retoot after I read the popup properly]

@bram That's actually a pretty smart way to avoid a lot of confusion and frustration...

:q!

@bram @Velyn that's a trick question.. there's more than one command in vim to do that.

@bram does `shutdown -r now` work? *scnr*

@bram Word Perfect had no such message! I fired it up once to see what it was like - blank screen with just a cursor, no menu, F1 didn't provide any help. How to get out of it? Power cycle worked, and I went back to WordStar (menu defaulted on, you could turn it off when you no longer needed it).

@bram I like that dialog - The only problem is there are several right answers, and that dialog only accepts one of them.

@bram
A simple `:f /dev/null | e! | q`

Don't see the problem

@bram

@bram I have been using vi for 45 years and I do not understand why vi mode for command lines is even a thing. It's a wonderful interface for text editors but it's wack as hell for command lines.

:q!

@bram That’s briljant! :goose_hacker:

@bram wow, that seems rather condescending...

@bram I'm guilty of having resorted to "killall -9 vim" from another terminal more than once before I finally bothered to learn.

Also, there was that incident when I symlinked vim to emacs on the shell server for the ISP I co-founded... It was.. polarizing.

@bram I got stuck in VIM once....I didn't know what to do so I formatted the hard drive

@bram Well, I would think that my PC froze if neither CTRL+C nor CTRL+X closed something that I had only opened by accident too.

@bram It's a pop quiz!

@bram With or without the colon?

@bram my husband saw this post and wanted me to politely ask you if you know of any good resources for him to learn Vim (for Obsidian) pretty please?

@bram This is why I have a drink coaster with #Vim commands

@bram Was it looking for :q! then?

@bram okay imma :q outta here

@bram lol, did Elon buy Obsidian too?

@bram I would be thankful for this. Very thankful.

I once sat in front of a VIM prompt and didn't know how to get out of it in University

I just wanted to go home 😭

@bram hahaha agreed! But it's also legitimately brilliant, in that it ensures you cannot enable vim mode without knowing at least a last-ditch way to get out of it

@bram :notacult: love me some Obsidian!

@bram
Got stumped by that one despite using vim daily since I always exit with normal mode ZZ/ZQ.

@bram Everytime I see this popup I try holding down the power button & when I come back obsidian doesn't remember what I did :(

@bram OMG. That's awesome. (And I'm solidly in the vim camp.)

@bram it's all good until you, a confident vim user of many years, accidentally enter ex mode and are trapped in a whole different way

@bram but does it accept all the valid ways to exit vim that are mentioned there?
https://github.com/hakluke/how-to-exit-vim

@bram wish I had gotten this message the first time I accidentally opened a file with vim

@bram OK, this is one of the few cases where this is still funny. Also true.

@bram this one's for the nano users

@bram hilarious but kind of makes sense tho

@bram

"the"? But there's multiple!

Quit
Shift+: q

Quit without saving
Shift+: q!

Write then quit
Shift+: wq
Shift+: x
Shift+zz

@bram alt text the joke? :)

@bram @lisamelton LOL, That’s almost enough to get my to use Obsidian.

@bram did accept ZQ or only :q! ?

@bram @lisamelton I cheered when I saw this. I knew I had found my kind.

@bram Love to see it! Reminds me when to enable develop mode on an Android phone, you had to hit a button a certain amount of time stating that you knew what you were doing

@bram @cmddx It’s good design.

@bram You say you use Vim? Then name three of their albums.

@bram okay but did you get past that screen I'm in vim and haven't been able to quit for 28 years please my family needs me

@bram Bonus points: it says "the command", but there's at least two it'll accept.

@bram this is my obsidian.

@bram :q!

@bram no choice: reboot the machine

@bram Joke's on them, the only vi command non-vi users know is :q!

@bram I’ve been wondering if I should try a note taking app, finally, now that I’ve learned some nonSaaS options exist.

I guess I know what to try first!!!!

@bram does zz work?

@SabreMc nano :3

@bram it's so good. I love the design pattern at work here.

@bram Does it accept both ":q" and ":q!"?

@bram it's like "aren't you drunk?" questions in e-scooter apps