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Yesterday, Twitter - or at least Twitter's owner - declared "cisgender" to be a slur. At no point in the adjective's century-old history of coinage and revival has it ever been coined as a slur.

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Derick Rethans replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum Neither is/was "woke", but here we are.

L.J. is the cis Minipang replied to Derick

@derickr "woke" kind of proves the point, though, because it's AAVE that was stolen from and twisted around to target Black people and people who are insufficiently antiblack and fashy. The attempt to distort the meaning of "cis" is likely a ransacking by the dominant culture of trans culture and thought. @vagina_museum

Morgan replied to Derick

@derickr @vagina_museum I've actually never seen the take that "woke" is a *slur*. just that it's often used in an appropriative way and in those instances it says certain things about the beliefs of the sayer: usually that they think being respectful to marginalized people is bad. the use of "cis" also implies some things: e.g. that the person saying it believes trans people exist and (usually) that we're a natural part of human diversity. definitely not a slur though lol

Beto Dealmeida replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum it makes sense for "cisgender" to be a slur, since mass shootings are disproportionately caused by cis men. /s

twitter.com/ButNotTheCity/stat

SynthGal the RatBot replied to Beto

@beto @vagina_museum you cannot have a slur for the dominant oppressor group

lee :Fire_Trans: replied to Beto

@beto that's not how slurs work...at all... Should "man" be a slur too then, by that logic??

lee :Fire_Trans: replied to Beto

@beto what makes something a slur, in your mind

David Wynne replied to lee

@beto @inherentlee just butting in to point out this, which is there to indicate that Beto was being sarcastic. Tbh, I think that’s fairly obvious, but they still took the trouble to make sure there would be no doubt, and yet here we are.

This isn’t twitter. Let’s not turn this place into an arguing machine too. It’s okay to give people the benefit of a doubt, and take a minute to be sure someone is saying what you think they’re saying.

lee :Fire_Trans: replied to David

@davidwynne @beto they must have added that after my original response, as there was no sarcasm indicator when I saw it

Beto Dealmeida replied to lee

@davidwynne In @inherentlee's defense, I did add it later... I initially thought the sarcasm was clear. Sorry, I should've called the edit out!

David Wynne replied to Beto

@beto @inherentlee my own post was probably a little overly-grumpy. I have not had much sleep. But I should also take my own advice and remember that this is not Twitter. I just get exhausted when I see people who obviously agree with each other getting caught up in misunderstanding-fights like they’re 1970s Marvel Comics characters

lee :Fire_Trans: replied to David

@davidwynne @beto Nah, you were right, and I'm glad you pointed it out to me.

Steven Heywood replied to lee

@inherentlee @davidwynne @beto
Thank you all for the courtesy involved in this discourse and its happy resolution. Definitely *not* like Twitter.

Hat. Cat in an N95😷 replied to David

@davidwynne @beto @inherentlee rofl. Is it bad that i instantly started speculating about specific characters and plot arcs that might describe?

lee :Fire_Trans: replied to Beto

@beto @davidwynne It super wasn't clear to me so I appreciate the edit!

David Wynne replied to MJ

@inherentlee @MJmusicinears @beto I’m sorry, if that’s not a rhetorical question then you’re going to need to be more specific. I don’t know which of us you’re referring to, which post you’re talking about, etc

Morgan replied to David

@davidwynne @beto @inherentlee that doesn't show up on my instance even now :0 thank you for pointing that out lol, federation does have its flaws sometimes

Naomi replied to lee

@inherentlee @beto It's used as an insult by someone who is very drunk.

Hat. Cat in an N95😷 replied to Beto

@beto @vagina_museum most people are cis so thats hardly a shock.

Beto Dealmeida replied to Hat. Cat in an N95😷

@CatHat @vagina_museum right, but even taking that into consideration cis people are 5x more likely to cause a mass shooting.

Hat. Cat in an N95😷 replied to Beto

@beto @vagina_museum owning a gun is reserved for the majority. Minorities are not supposed to be permitted to have guns according to the powers that be

Phil Rees replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum In some contexts everything can be used as a slur. If Elon were consistent he'd extend his policy to cover the entire content of the OED and ban everyone from his free speech town square.

bytebro replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum Just wanted to chip in and say that this has been a very interesting and informative thread, at least to me. Good work.

Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦 replied to Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦

@vagina_museum

PS: do we call out those who changed their assigned name as trans-named? If we did then if we call the rest "cis-named" there's really no-slur, its just actual label like long or short haired, "cis gendered" is no different.

Ultimately all the reasons for hating on the very small number of trans folk are around issues caused by an alarming number of males who are a danger to females. Trans haters are just projecting their own flaws. Shouldn't that be the focus?

Morgan replied to Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦

@enmodo @vagina_museum I've never heard people doing that but I might using those terms as a bit

uhmmm replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum

Thanks for this

I didn't know much of this

DELETED replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum Why haven’t we afforded people who suffer from depression the same courtesy?

Gender dysphoria is much closer to depression than sexual preference. Dysphoria and gender identity can change over time. The gay person doesn’t suffer from their own internal sexual preference - only the social acceptance or not of that preference. Their own body seems to be the fundamental source of suffering of the trans person - compounded of course by the lack of societal acceptance.

DELETED replied to DELETED

@vagina_museum Certainly, we can’t call gender dysphoria “normal” in any sense because it requires medical intervention in many cases. A right which trans people are fighting for.

Maybe if everybody stopped worrying about “the patriarchy” and “grooming” and focused more of the suffering of those who manifest gender dysphoria, we could make life a little easier for everyone.

Abandoned America replied to Vagina

@vagina_museum this is a really interesting and informative thread. Thank you!

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