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@corbden While not to destroy it, I only seem to hear skepticism about wikipedia from socially conservative people (Im not american so Im not sure if that applies to american conservatives.) Not sure why specifically.

Stuff like doubts about anyone being able to edit (which I then have to follow with everything needing citations and such.)

11 Jun 2023 at 14:19 | Wall-to-wall | Open on hachyderm.io
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@LotusHopper @corbden

why change your views to fit the data when you can change the data to fit your worldview. and if a resource like wikipedia is immune to that effort, and stands there unmoved by your denial and handwaving, it must be gaslit and have its credibility attacked. the attacks don't have to make sense, they just have to be constant

this is standard operating procedure for some minds: cognitive dissonance is painful, and changing one's mind is apparently an impossibility, so attack attack attack

@LotusHopper @corbden

why change your views to fit the data when you can change the data to fit your worldview. and if a resource like wikipedia is immune to that effort, and stands there unmoved by your denial and handwaving, it must be gaslit and have its credibility attacked. the attacks don't have to make sense, they just have to be constant

11 Jun 2023 at 14:26 | Open on techhub.social
Mx. Luna Corbden

@accretionist @LotusHopper I have defended Wikipedia’s model many-a-time. Lotus, if you’re not in the states, please don’t underestimate the power of insular fundamentalist evangelical groups here, who have been planning a coordinated Christofascist takeover for decades. Highly recommend the docuseries Shiny Happy People which reveals the inner workings of just one such group. I’m a former member of another. They’ve already taken over vast parts of our government. I’ve stopped underestimating the lengths they will go to. They have the will and will do anything within their power to get more power. I know Wikipedia is resilient. I once thought the US government, SCOTUS, the presidency, congress, was resilient, too.

@accretionist @LotusHopper I have defended Wikipedia’s model many-a-time. Lotus, if you’re not in the states, please don’t underestimate the power of insular fundamentalist evangelical groups here, who have been planning a coordinated Christofascist takeover for decades. Highly recommend the docuseries Shiny Happy People which reveals the inner workings of just one such group. I’m a former member of another. They’ve already taken over vast parts of our government. I’ve stopped underestimating the...

11 Jun 2023 at 16:11 | Open on defcon.social
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@corbden @LotusHopper oh yeah, certain trends are deeply disturbing. but this fight is all there ever was, and ever will be. constant erosion and repair. this is all there is in life. that's not a point for despair, that's a point to smile back at the smile of the malicious, and move on with good work

not out of validation from the world. that may come, but it's a side effect. it's for self-validation: i don't litter. not because i fear punishment. but because i fear what i would think of myself

and as long as people like you and i exist, and we always will, there is progress in this world. and don't ever think the malice and despair out there is greater than that

@corbden @LotusHopper oh yeah, certain trends are deeply disturbing. but this fight is all there ever was, and ever will be. constant erosion and repair. this is all there is in life. that's not a point for despair, that's a point to smile back at the smile of the malicious, and move on with good work

11 Jun 2023 at 16:19 | Open on techhub.social
Mx. Luna Corbden

@accretionist @LotusHopper I hope so. I try to keep a good attitude and fight. I just think complacency is our enemy. We can’t just rely on our institutions to keep on doing their thing without effort to make sure they do.

11 Jun 2023 at 18:13 | Open on defcon.social
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