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Jaime Soriano

@aral this is what basically happened with XMPP. All big players joined, only to build walled gardens later and excluding anyone that had their smaller servers.

19 Jun 2023 at 11:15 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.online
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Océane ⏚

@jsoriano @aral “But I hang around in a few nice 60-users chatrooms! #WorksOnMyMachine”

19 Jun 2023 at 11:27 | Open on eldritch.cafe
Fish Id Wardrobe

@jsoriano @aral The point here is not that that made XMPP go away. It's still here. But hardly anyone uses it now.

We could go back to it tomorrow.

19 Jun 2023 at 11:39 | Open on mastodon.me.uk
Jaime Soriano

@fishidwardrobe @aral for me the point is to don't trust them, they are doing this only for their business, not for the people.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:22 | Open on mastodon.online
Fish Id Wardrobe

@jsoriano @aral Don't trust who? Facebook? Sure? One of the hundred or so independent XMPP servers still running? Not so much. list.jabber.at/

19 Jun 2023 at 12:25 | Open on mastodon.me.uk
Jaime Soriano

@fishidwardrobe @aral yes Meta, or any other big player that expresses support for an open protocol.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:27 | Open on mastodon.online
shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@fishidwardrobe @jsoriano @aral

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But hardly anyone uses it now.

Absolutely false. That is a very common misconception that has me scratching my head on a regular basis.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:46 | Open on octodon.social
Fish Id Wardrobe

@walruslifestyle @jsoriano @aral That's lovely to know. I must just be having the worst luck with it then.

There's one person I talk to on XMPP and once every six months whatever server I'm on shuts down and I have to pick a new one.

I think we've given up and switched to email.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:57 | Open on mastodon.me.uk
pino

@jsoriano @aral Google and MS are doing that for email. Mails from my own tiny server constantly end up in some spam folders there.

19 Jun 2023 at 11:43 | Open on social.cologne
shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@jsoriano @aral sorry to pick nits, but I've been an avid XMPP user for a couple decades at this point, and my experience really wasn't affected much by the big players doing their walled garden dance. they brought in people who probably would never have used XMPP anyway. meanwhile, all the people who did use it kept using it after the big players walled themselves off, and that ecosystem continues to thrive.

I suspect the same is/will be true of the fediverse. which is not to say that having Meta or whoever joining is a good thing, just that I think there's a lot more resilience to their impact than one might think.

@jsoriano @aral sorry to pick nits, but I've been an avid XMPP user for a couple decades at this point, and my experience really wasn't affected much by the big players doing their walled garden dance. they brought in people who probably would never have used XMPP anyway. meanwhile, all the people who did use it kept using it after the big players walled themselves off, and that ecosystem continues to thrive.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:45 | Open on octodon.social
Ankit Pati

@walruslifestyle @jsoriano @aral This.

The big players never took anyone away. They just temporarily added users who otherwise never would have bothered to set up XMPP.

I suspect this won’t be much different, and also that we don’t have the power to stop it. Not without European regulatory oversight, anyways.

19 Jun 2023 at 12:53 | Open on mastodon.social
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