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Oliphant

The path of least resistance states that some big company owning social media isn't a problem, until it is.

If things seem competently run, you'll give them a shot, start posting, entering a bunch of personal data, tell your friends.

I think it will be harder to convince people to do that going forward. We've had a sort of 'social media reset' the past 6 months or so, and if anything, it seems to be accelerating (as all the big platforms start doubling down on really bad ideas.)

Ultimately the web is transient, and stuff can change over time, and a site that was once trusted can lose that trust.

Better, I think, to exist on a platform where no one owns you, your data is exportable (and importable, some places) and your follow graph can move with you.

You get to watch flameouts and personalities and bad admins in realtime here, too, lots more of them than just one.

But you're ultimately not beholden to any of that. You can move until you find your people, and your followers come with you.

That's just not a thing anywhere else.

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Oliphant

"It's not as polished, though"

Of course it's not.

Kbin and Mastodon are spit and bubble gum, MacGuyver in a closet hacking out a working solution whereas the big names have development budgets counted in millions of dollars.

This has been the hardest thing to explain to people. Yes, there's the case where a lot of features probably should have been prioritized (in retrospect) but it's not a failing of the platform that it wasn't available with full feature parity to a company that spends millions of dollars a year developing and enhancing their website and spreading the load across a large server infrastructure, with hundreds (literally hundreds) of employees who do nothing but write code. For a living. Full time.

The 'in our spare time, after our day job' volunteer DIY army has done amazing shit here in the Fediverse, but (in my opinion) you come off like a bit of a dick when you ask why the volunteer-led hobby software doesn't have the hot shit features of a bigger platform.

It's fine to recognize the shortcomings of the software, but just realize it comes with certain tradeoffs.

For instance, you know something else we don't have here?

The rights to sell all your data or charge you for API access.

"It's not as polished, though"

Of course it's not.

Kbin and Mastodon are spit and bubble gum, MacGuyver in a closet hacking out a working solution whereas the big names have development budgets counted in millions of dollars.

This has been the hardest thing to explain to people. Yes, there's the case where a lot of features probably should have been prioritized (in retrospect) but it's not a failing of the platform that it wasn't available with full feature parity to a company that spends millions...

Oliphant

Also, I don't think anyone predicted all the big social media platforms would fall the fuck apart this quickly.

Fediverse platforms weren't entirely "ready" because there was no big warning sign before the tree trunk made a loud 'crack' sound and the beast started falling.

Oliphant

I just find this space fundamentally optimistic.

A network of people willingly federating--and importantly setting firm boundaries of what is acceptable behavior--which reflects the real world better than anything else ever has.

And unlike every other place we didn't start out in a deficit to the tune of millions of dollars that has to be repaid to someone who owns us--forcing us to build monetization into the platform.

We run on donations, kids.

MHowell

@oliphant
And here is how the Fediverse standardizes:

Matt

@MHowell @oliphant Right, but the Fediverse platforms are not competing with each other, they're standards that can actually co-exist and everyone still communicates with each other, and each additional platform is more options for peoples' use cases in a different way than that comic refers to.

Kevin Hughes 🐝

@oliphant some of this reminds me of years of using FOSS software. The majority of people, even the "tech savvy" still use MS and Apple systems every day because of the polish and convenience... but the amount of people coming over to the FOSS side is more than enough to make a good enough place to live, we don't need everyone over here.

shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@oliphant this assessment does not seem to jibe with the apparent popularity of BlueSky among people leaving Twitter.

Michael Fisher

@walruslifestyle @oliphant Fire, meet frying pan. They just don’t know it yet.

shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@mjf_pro @oliphant that's fine, but what I'm reacting to is the claim that it is harder to convince people to jump into the frying pan nowadays. I'm not convinced that's the case, given how many people have migrated to BlueSky and continue to do so (to the point of being willing to pay money for invites).

Michael Fisher

@walruslifestyle @oliphant Correct. The question isn’t that they’re moving, it’s *where* they’re deciding to move to. My friend @binarytango has a keen observation on that point, that speaks to mass media-fed problems beyond tech as well: mstdn.binarytango.com/@binaryt

Screenshot in case you can’t drill directly into the linked post:

shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@mjf_pro @oliphant @binarytango the tech "press" largely regurgitates company press releases or sponsored hagiographies. but I'm not sure blame can be laid at their feet. why people choose billionaire-run social media over alternatives isn't just a matter of industry media narratives.

katt

@oliphant

has been fun to watch.
what's next? Meta? 🍿

Blake Leonard

@oliphant > You get to watch flameouts and personalities and bad admins in realtime here, too, lots more of them than just one.

> But you're ultimately not beholden to any of that. You can move until you find your people, and your followers come with you.

This is by far the biggest advantage of the Fediverse.

Stefan Scholl

@oliphant "But you're ultimately not beholden to any of that. You can move until you find your people, and your followers come with you."

Not always true. See this user here: reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments

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@oliphant @Gargron Perhaps the greedy CEOs running the most widely used social media platforms have actually helped us see the truth by being such weasels - like a light that sends the cockroaches scattering. We now have a deeper understanding of how we are being used, making the Fediverse far more appealing to anyone not interested in being manipulated by algorithms, bots, and neofascist billionaires.

synlogic

@oliphant email servers: we've seen (nearly, like 99% of) ALL the social media fads/sites and kings-of-the-hill come and go, and yet here we remain, like a rock. (now: kids, get off my lawn!)

Eric

@oliphant the best thing about a platform like Mastodon is that it should be a lot more resistant to Enshittification ( wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/p )

Radu

@oliphant fair but…
People are addicted to numbers, to the feeling of getting however many likes, to the dream of “making it”, selling yourself, becoming an influencer. Looking around, people are addicted… it has become so that the whole reason of going to an event is to post it somewhere. And the saddest part and the paradox is: the majority of them won’t leave until the majority is somewhere else…
Gee I hope I’m wrong!

Ren

@Crates @oliphant I don't get the fascination with having *everyone* in one place. I liked forums back in the day. Cool places. Hard to find communities nowadays.

Those likechasers can stay there or go nowhere for all I care. Sounds better to me that way at least.

Radu

@Mephisto @oliphant yeah! Good point. I’d like my friends to be over here, tho, and it’s not really happening 😢

Radu

@Mephisto @oliphant like I said, they won’t come, ‘cause no one’s here

Mark Zimmerman

@oliphant This is why I really don't see Hive scaling well. It was a project from someone really passionate about the work that she was doing, but she seems to want to make something closer to a Twitter competitor than something newer and with more ownership.

No hate to Raluca Pop, but I think apps like that have a short shelf-life unless a clear line of succession and upgrades to the backend can scale with user growth.

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