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T. Emil Rivera-Thorsen

@kentborg @emilymbender Those are not separate entities. Capitalism is the source of fascism.

30 May 2023 at 15:59 | Wall-to-wall | Open on astrodon.social
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Kent Borg

@thriveth @emilymbender But we desperately need to win elections. We need the votes of people who do not think capitalism is a dirty word.

30 May 2023 at 16:03 | Open on social.tchncs.de
T. Emil Rivera-Thorsen

@kentborg @emilymbender If people are more willing to vote for a fascist than team up with an anti-capitalist, they are already fascists. If we want to beat of fascism, we need to talk openly about its root causes.

The role of fascism is to absorb discontent with poverty and exploitation and direct it against minorities to shield the exploiters. If we cannot say that out loud, we have no other arguments left than bland moralism.

30 May 2023 at 16:26 | Open on astrodon.social
Kent Borg

@thriveth @emilymbender I get that you don't like people who are not willing to condem capitalism. But what do you hope to accomplish? Do you believe in democracy? If so, what result do you hope for from next year's US election?

30 May 2023 at 16:32 | Open on social.tchncs.de
T. Emil Rivera-Thorsen

@kentborg @emilymbender

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said such a thing.

30 May 2023 at 16:38 | Open on astrodon.social
Kent Borg

@thriveth @emilymbender Sorry, what did I get wrong? I thought you called those who don't align with "an anti-capitalist" to be "already fascists", and I took that as dislike.

A lot of people don't see Trump as a fascist. And we still need to peel away as many of their votes as we can. A lot of people think capitalism is good. And we need as many of their votes as possible. We came very close to Trump staying in power by force, as dictator. We were lucky.

30 May 2023 at 16:55 | Open on social.tchncs.de
Earthworm

Although several policies are undoubtly less fascist, by making very similar choices regarding distribution of power and wealth, the dems are just sitting it out, preparing the terrain for the next wave.
This is not how antifascism looks like.
This is not how real change looks like.

The dems/moderates (the situation is similar in many other countries of the world) have just the benefit of not being the fascists themselves. They know this and try to benefit from our fear of fascism.

So, vote if you want to, but don't let their circus obfuscate other struggles that could be more important (local mutual aid structures to cover basic needs, international solidarity...).

Take care.

@kentborg @thriveth

Although several policies are undoubtly less fascist, by making very similar choices regarding distribution of power and wealth, the dems are just sitting it out, preparing the terrain for the next wave.
This is not how antifascism looks like.
This is not how real change looks like.

The dems/moderates (the situation is similar in many other countries of the world) have just the benefit of not being the fascists themselves. They know this and try to benefit from our fear of fascism.

31 May 2023 at 6:01 | Open on kolektiva.social
Subcommandte Marcos Fanboy

@kentborg @thriveth @emilymbender
I see both sides here I've been reading endnotes and it says similar things but remember that Rosa Luxemburg was killed social democrats that were working with fascists. fascism must be stopped and we must do whatever we can to stop it but the fight against fascism must also destroy its roots like a weed.

31 May 2023 at 1:49 | Open on social.vivaldi.net
Kent Borg

@Avianbroski @thriveth @emilymbender Yes, chop down the evil bush immediately, destroy the roots after that.

31 May 2023 at 2:13 | Open on social.tchncs.de
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