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Shachihoko

@kentborg @emilymbender

We need to fight both of them at once. Fortunately, capitalism and fascism are pretty steady bedfellows, so a good swing at one stands fair odds of at least clipping the other.

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Kent Borg

@Shachihoko @emilymbender If a swing at capitalism elects Trump president again, no, we are in deep shit. (He's not as reasonable as he once was.) If a swing at capitalism hands the US Senate to the Gop, we are in deep shit.

We are already in deep shit…because we didn't see the danger and elected Trump once, because the Gop controlled the Senate and got to stack the courts, etc. Swinging at capitalism is a dangerous distraction at this point.

Erik Haugen

@kentborg Interesting claim; in what ways do you see him as less reasonable?

Kent Borg

@ech It sounds like his current campaigning is more extreme, more violent rhetoric, less connected with reality, than was his previous campaign. Which makes sense, his followers feed on outrage, and he needs to keep turning it up to keep them outraged.

(But, to be honest, I don't have the stomach to listen to him, so I'm trusting someone paid to do so; I only skimmed a story in the Washington Post the other day. I think it is the kind of thing the Post is likely to get right, however.)

Shachihoko

@kentborg @ech

I think the only difference is that he realized he can say completely deranged shit without suffering for it. Everything from "I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue" to "I'll let you wait and see" (if he would accept the results) can be considered his tests of the waters. And then he actually refused to accept the results when he was voted out, and January 6th happened, and he STILL hasn't faced personal consequences for that.

Kent Borg

@Shachihoko @ech Some of the chickens are starting to come home to roost: E. Jean Carrol loss is fun.

@ NovaNaturalist

@Shachihoko @kentborg @emilymbender capitalism and fascism are not merely steady bedfellows.

I'd suggest that fascism is an inevitable and unstable evolution of capitalism: the hoarding have's ensure the have nots turn against each other merely so the powerful can continue hoarding wealth.

Kent Borg

@NovaNaturalist @Shachihoko @emilymbender You are taking a long view that I think I agree with.

But we have a very nasty short-term problem: An actual would-be dictator might win the next election, making it our last real election. A party that doesn't believe in democracy, peaceful transition of power, rule of law, nor even reality itself, might take full power.

We need every vote we can get, even from conservatives who like capitalism.

Cultor 🥀 👑

@Shachihoko @kentborg @emilymbender the funny part about this is that fascism and communism teamed up during the beginning of WWII because the Germans thought Marxism was a more natural ally in the fight against the capitalist west.
But that’s just history, don’t let that stop your claim here.

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