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Nora, tech aspect

So Meta appears to be making an ActivityPub play [1]. I want to go on record about this, in two ways:

1. Meta has dramatically - like, at least two orders of magnitude - more development labor to throw at this issue. If this software is easier to use or more intuitive to you than Mastodon, Akkoma, Calkey, etc, it's worth taking a moment to acknowledge that this is probably why - and if it's a janky mess, well, that's going to be very funny.

2. This is an Embrace, Extend, Extinguish [2] play, baldfacedly. It's incumbent upon instances whose users are committed to decentralization to at *least* silence, and preferably suspend, corporate takeover attempts like this.

If you care more about reach than decentralization, that's fine; it's a personal choice that someone might make for any number of very valid reasons. I would ask that those of us who *are* ideologically motivated in this way not harass others who can't or don't make that decision.

But.

I would also ask people to kindly refrain from ranting about how ~unreasonable~ it is for Fediverse old-timers to shun corporate ActivityPub instances. Many of us are in this game because we want to see a future where all internet discourse isn't filtered through a half-dozen corporate moderation panels, and we are willing - and able - to make choices based on that.

There is also likely to be a *lot* of spam and bad discourse from that direction, so even if you're not ideologically motivated to avoid corporate nonsense, you might want to.

Thanks.

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1: Lia Haberman, "ICYMI: Instagram's New App Could Be Here By June " on Stubstack. Archived: web.archive.org/web/2023051915

2: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,

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@noracodes Take A: I hope this lets me follow folks on Instagram without having to actually use Instagram or run afoul of their aggressive anti-scraping foo

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@noracodes Take B:

Goofus blocks Facebook's ActivityPub server

Gallant forces Facebook to block him

Nora, tech aspect

@jordan ahahah this is a Good point. Shitposting as defense.

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@noracodes Zuck: "This is madness!"

Fedi: "This is brands.town!"

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@noracodes Maybe an LLM-based "too spicy" Wendy's bot that anyone can install to get defederated from corporate instances instantly

Jon

@noracodes ๐Ÿ’ฏ, well said all around!

Xandra Granade ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ

@noracodes Even outside of EEE strategies, there's also the old GMail / XMPP strategy. They don't even have to do the "extend" part at that point. They just need to have a controlling ratio of activity and then defederate.

Xandra Granade ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ

@noracodes Inevitably, something about "deprecating legacy protocols" or somesuch nonsense.

wakame

@xgranade @noracodes
"Dear fedi citizens,

we have been monitoring the situation regarding spam and hate speech. Unfortunately, the only scalable solution to free speech is AI-based content filtering by a large uber-corp like us.

ZuckBook servers will therefore from now on require any instance that federates with them to make a content filtering contract with our new RightSpeech cloud solution.

Help us help you fight terrorism and protect free speech.

Best regards,
FediMeta"

@xgranade @noracodes
"Dear fedi citizens,

we have been monitoring the situation regarding spam and hate speech. Unfortunately, the only scalable solution to free speech is AI-based content filtering by a large uber-corp like us.

ZuckBook servers will therefore from now on require any instance that federates with them to make a content filtering contract with our new RightSpeech cloud solution.

brennen

@noracodes heartily endorsed.

while i'm at it, i'd like to remind anyone who somehow _doesn't_ think that this is a transparent EEE play of how early-days facebook succeeded in part by integrating itself heavily with the ecosystem of RSS, a fact which now seems to have largely been forgotten somewhere in the mists of time.

enclosure is what this entity is made of and thrives on.

Esther is looking for a server

@brennen That really is news to me. how did they do that?

brennen

@esther they:

a) published feeds

b) more importantly, made it trivial to publish a feed to facebook

@infosec_jcp ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿƒ done differently

@brennen @noracodes

I.T.'s funny that #MarkTheVirus is even starting a play into the #fediverse. He seems to be worried about less than 12mil users.

To me _THAT_ says something. Mark's network is know for #fraud and #CSAM, on a large scale, so this dipping the toe into the fediverse is a warning sign that should be easy to block iF his continued business model of fraud and #CSAM tries the Eยณ playbook made famous by #m
Good thing like #TruthSocial's play into cloning Twitter for an #Oligarch to fleece his followers and monetize his base I believe that #MarkTheVirus's play into the #fediverse is NOT going to go the way he thinks I.T. will go.

3% of this #CrimeIncorporated's business model FSCK's up 110% of his reputation, imo. Check the #10kFilings iF you want more insight into the above.

Cheers. That's my 2ยข's worth. ๐Ÿ˜…

@brennen @noracodes

I.T.'s funny that #MarkTheVirus is even starting a play into the #fediverse. He seems to be worried about less than 12mil users.

To me _THAT_ says something. Mark's network is know for #fraud and #CSAM, on a large scale, so this dipping the toe into the fediverse is a warning sign that should be easy to block iF his continued business model of fraud and #CSAM tries the Eยณ playbook made famous by #m
Good thing like #TruthSocial's play into cloning Twitter for an #Oligarch to fleece...

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@brennen @noracodes

See also the arc of XMPP with Facebook and Google.

eviloatmeal
@noracodes Thanks for a really well-crafted post on this topic, and for filing it under a subject header.
The Gibson

@noracodes Called this years ago... here comes the pain.

Nora, tech aspect

@TheGibson yep. I'm not hyped.

duncan

@noracodes yea, i don't run an instance anymore but when I did I had a pretty hard-and-fast "block any FAANG instances on sight" policy

Internet Rando

@noracodes

Eh, let them come.

I, for one, look forward to (the option of) defederating our aged corporate overlords.

Tagomago

@noracodes Thx for the heads up!

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