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AJ Sadauskas

The enforcement of copyright law is really simple.

If you were a kid who used Napster in the early 2000s to download the latest album by The Offspring or Destiny's Child, because you couldn't afford the CD, then you need to go to court! And potentially face criminal sanctions or punitive damages to the RIAA for each song you download, because you're an evil pirate! You wouldn't steal a car! Creators must be paid!

If you created educational videos on YouTube in the 2010s, and featured a video or audio clip, then even if it's fair use, and even if it's used to make a legitimate point, you're getting demonetised. That's assuming your videos don't disappear or get shadow banned or your account isn't shut entirely. Oh, and good luck finding your way through YouTube's convoluted DMCA process! All creators are equal in deserving pay, but some are more equal than others!

And if you're a corporation with a market capitalisation of US$1.5 trillion (Google/Alphabet) or US$2.3 billion (Microsoft), then you can freely use everyone's intellectual property to train your generative AI bots. Suddenly creators don't deserve to be paid a cent.

Apparently, an individual downloading a single file is like stealing a car. But a trillion-dollar corporation stealing every car is just good business.

@music@fedibb.ml @technology #technology #tech #economics #copyright #ArtificialIntelligence #capitalism #IntellectualProperty @music@lemmy.ml #law #legal #economics

15 May 2023 at 2:26 | Open on aus.social
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Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon

Not to mention the power asymetry and the fact that #FairUse is worth jack shit and doesn't exist as an enforceable human right...

So everyone who doesn't have privilegues to flex [may it be money, connections, fans or whatever] is universally f**ked by te systemic bs setup.
youtube.com/watch?v=trIn90HTqK

15 May 2023 at 2:42 | Open on mstdn.social
Kevin Karhan :verified:

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon

Not gonna endorse anything like #piracy for obvious legal reasons but the 1st rule always is:

DON'T GET CAUGHT!

Sadly children today get groomed into gullible #consumerism by the #GAFAM's instead of getting taught actual #TechLiteracy in #school.
aus.social/@ajsadauskas/110370

15 May 2023 at 2:44 | Open on mstdn.social
n0toose

@kkarhan I think the article author fell for the marketing under the assumption that it can't reproduce code verbatim. You'd see other experts like Timnit Gebru disagree.

15 May 2023 at 7:50 | Open on chaos.social
Kevin Karhan :verified:

@n0toose don't assume but ask @senficon@ohai.social / @senficon@chaos.social himself.

Also with all programming languagues there are only very finite ways to do certain things reasonably efficient and fast whilst retaining readability.

Thus statistical analysis will inevitably result in large sections to be identical as they can't be reasonably different unless done for the sake of being done differently.

15 May 2023 at 8:05 | Open on mstdn.social
Kevin Karhan :verified:

@n0toose @senficon@ohai.social @senficon@chaos.social for example, of you want to download a file or query an API in a portable way on a "Standard-Compliant" Linux distro, you'd basically only have curl & wget available.

APIs and ABIs do normalize and restrict how a program can be integrated.

And System Architectures do further restrict this.

15 May 2023 at 8:10 | Open on mstdn.social
Kevin Karhan :verified:

@n0toose @senficon@ohai.social @senficon@chaos.social

Basically unless you write absurdly generic pseudocode and go out of your way to specifically avoid documentation samples, you'll inevitably have to copy huge amounts per design.

Because that's how these statistics-based chatbots work.

They are just a shittier interface for okay search engines like #DuckDuckGo and nothing that we should call "intelligent"...

15 May 2023 at 8:12 | Open on mstdn.social
@krisnelson@legal.social

@ajsadauskas @technology @music yeah, sounds about right—see also the comparisons of e.g. wage theft vs shoplifting for what strikes me as a somewhat similar example of this kind of disparity

15 May 2023 at 2:48 | Open on legal.social
Tucker Teague
nickapos :clubtwit:

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml i have the feeling that in using the platforms offered by these companies you have given them permission to use your work.

15 May 2023 at 4:39 | Open on twit.social
João S. O. Bueno

@nickapos @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml

Not true. First a.i. training is not necessarily from content in their same platform.

But, for computer code, for example, each project has an explicitly attached license - which will require at least citation of the original author/source.
A.i. training violates ALL of them.

15 May 2023 at 11:30 | Open on floss.social
Fan of Shared Truth & Empathy

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml Sometimes I don’t have to wonder why giving up on pursuing any of my creative talents seems like the depressingly reasonable thing to do.

15 May 2023 at 4:50 | Open on mastodonapp.uk
William Bell

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml This is an excellent parallel to draw. Nationalise Google and close Chat GPT down.

15 May 2023 at 4:52 | Open on twit.social
Simon (a 🐮 in 🇳🇿)

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml I don't think you understand the problem.
You see, companies have long struggled due to piracy.
They have to come up with solutions to piracy, and implement them. That is hard work and doesn't do a thing against piracy, and heck it even didn't lower their revenue, because it was proven that those that pirate stuff, also buy stuff.
Therefore, it only makes sense that if you have a lot of money, you don't have to pay...

Wait, I lost my train of thought.

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml I don't think you understand the problem.
You see, companies have long struggled due to piracy.
They have to come up with solutions to piracy, and implement them. That is hard work and doesn't do a thing against piracy, and heck it even didn't lower their revenue, because it was proven that those that pirate stuff, also buy stuff.
Therefore, it only makes sense that if you have a lot of money, you don't have to pay...

15 May 2023 at 4:58 | Open on cloudisland.nz
SocialistStan

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml I don't believe in copyright law anymore than I do in landlords. Information is free.

15 May 2023 at 5:32 | Open on kolektiva.social
Dave Rahardja

@ajsadauskas @music BTW $MSFT has a market cap of $2.3 *trillion*, not billion.

15 May 2023 at 6:42 | Open on sfba.social
Michel Jansen

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml but those videos are of course used as part of a training set for their AI

15 May 2023 at 7:02 | Open on home.social
J.H.Noyes
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Jens Comiotto-Mayer

@ajsadauskas @guenterhack @music Major record labels are trying to get a handle on this. There‘s no real precedent, and it‘s unclear which laws fit, if any. In general, I share your sentiment – the issue is not AI, it‘s capitalism.

theverge.com/2023/5/1/23703087

15 May 2023 at 7:36 | Open on coma.social
minidisco volante

@jens @ajsadauskas From a historical perspective I find it mildly amusing that entities like LAION are using the Pirate Bay defense when it comes to IP issues. "We're only offering links to the content, therefore we're not liable."

15 May 2023 at 8:20 | Open on chaos.social
Bobby

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml Yeah, pretty much. That corporations are more important than people and have more rights is not a bug of the current system, it's the core feature.

15 May 2023 at 7:59 | Open on mastodon.social
Emory Roane

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml Except (correct me if I'm wrong here) this sounds like a call for expanding copyright -- but it's *still* not "stealing a car." It never was stealing a car, and making the copyright maximalist argument feels as wrong now as then. Training a neural net isn't stealing (yet), corps like MSFT /Alphabet will be able to weather any changes to IP law, but imo this rhetoric is going to hurt the legions of small artists discovering and working with this new medium.

15 May 2023 at 8:15 | Open on techpolicy.social
AJ Sadauskas

@emoryr @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml It's more of a cynical tongue-in-cheek take. For the record, I totally agree that breaching copyright is not the same as stealing a car.

"Creators must be paid" is a recurring argument for maintaining copyrights as a system.

But how much it matters seems to vary widely, depending on whether it's a 16-year-old kid using Napster, or a multi-trillion-dollar multinational that benefits from creators not being paid for their work.

15 May 2023 at 8:32 | Open on aus.social
Emory Roane

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml Oh for sure. I just worry that the nearly-universal backlash against generative AI from academia/lefty/artists/policy wonky people (my people!) grounded in well-intended anti-corporate/consumer protection sentiment is carrying water for the same old copyright maximalist corporations. IMO, down that way is costly litigation, dragging artists in to prove their own workflows, a further erosion of fair use and the final death blow of de minimis...

15 May 2023 at 8:45 | Open on techpolicy.social
Nina Felwitch :v_trans:
Csepp 🌢

@ajsadauskas @technology This is also why GitHub's Copilot is fucked up. Microsoft expects everyone to read the fine print and never do anything that might possibly infringe on any copyright laws, but of course they don't have to stay out of the legal grey areas.
See: sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub

15 May 2023 at 10:41 | Open on merveilles.town
Darrell Bowles

@ajsadauskas I used napster, and I also create content on youtube. Don't get paid a cent either way.

15 May 2023 at 12:44 | Open on dragonscave.space
OpenDNA⚙️

@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror." Jean Rostand

15 May 2023 at 13:01 | Open on mastodon.sdf.org
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